People you don’t like. Being self righteous holds the left back because it makes them allergic to political power. Because it doesn’t count if it isn’t perfect
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The best way to understand your adversary is to listen to them. Provided it is proper discourse instead of just yelling over each other, you can get a proper handle on the other side.
This is right. What you will notice is 'people' will swiftly show up to disrupt such discourse, and just how much prepackaged rhetoric is set up in a way to poison the kind of dialog needed.
They certainly are, but I'll take this one over most others. I feel a lot safer in this space than others.
Finding a proper venue for real discourse is going to be difficult, but going into certain strongholds is probably the only option at this point. They're unlikely to come to us.
Weird how he thinks the left hates AOC, who does Boots think her base of support is, conservatives? The only ones that got a problem with AOC are centrist libs, which are not the left, they are center right.
It seems slightly off. I think she's great. Her messaging is spot on and hitting the notes she should. I'm definitely on the left and in a marginalized group. She's the best voice I've seen in a significant period of time.
Ya, every leftist i know all support AOC. Take for example, various leftist streamers in the states, the majority report, secular talk, vaush, etc, they all love AOC, who are these leftists that don't like AOC other than online trolls?
your analysis is on point. i think maybe what's happening is that after the 2016 us election we got a *lot* of cookie cutter op-eds saying "we have to empathize with conservatives", and what *they* meant was "throw trans people under the bus".
it's just been so overdone to the point where trying to say something meaningful like... "the left has to have a clear message for poor folks in the west" gets misinterpreted as that kind of dogwhistle
(1/2) I agree with @steveboots.bsky.social's overarching point but it ignores people's (rightful) suspicion of falling into the trap of "let's do 101 NPR pablum pieces about Midwesterners that feel like the Democrats left them behind that condescend to everyone & resolve nothing."
(2/2) esp. as *two*-way conversations develop heightened understanding. Said pablum pieces always address the economy in some generic non-confrontational way & treat all other issues as "elephants in the room" to be avoided.
🇨🇦 needs to understand the West. But so too must the West understand 🇨🇦.
i mean i think steve's been very clear, this is a...idk the right word for it, but a kind of unsophisticated pattern matching based on that kind of commentary being used as a dogwhistle by others in the past.
your last point kinda comes out of thin air and is vague enough it could mean anything tho
but let's leave steve's mentions alone for the time being, quote me if you'd like to continue the convo pls. i wish bluesky had reply-untagging sometimes...
Yeah, that's where social media fails me...I think I'll make the point in two skeets & I fail! 🙃
As a Canadian in U.S., I'm just particularly leery of "we need to talk to the 'other side' about their economic conditions & by God, we'll understand them better" scolds. We talk about it *plenty*.
My sister is perhaps best described as an old school socalist hippy. She now lives deep in con-land. Her approach is to actively listen and gently question. She gets good interaction and manages to spark some doubt. Not at all a bad approach.
The left has an immdiate distrust of anyone seeking that form of political power, particularly when they attempt to do it from inside a capitalist institution such as the Democratic Party. Are you really there to work for us, or just to appease us so we don't rebel?
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I hope Steve sees this one.
This is right. What you will notice is 'people' will swiftly show up to disrupt such discourse, and just how much prepackaged rhetoric is set up in a way to poison the kind of dialog needed.
Online spaces are suboptimal for this work.
Finding a proper venue for real discourse is going to be difficult, but going into certain strongholds is probably the only option at this point. They're unlikely to come to us.
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This.
(1/2) I agree with @steveboots.bsky.social's overarching point but it ignores people's (rightful) suspicion of falling into the trap of "let's do 101 NPR pablum pieces about Midwesterners that feel like the Democrats left them behind that condescend to everyone & resolve nothing."
🇨🇦 needs to understand the West. But so too must the West understand 🇨🇦.
your last point kinda comes out of thin air and is vague enough it could mean anything tho
As a Canadian in U.S., I'm just particularly leery of "we need to talk to the 'other side' about their economic conditions & by God, we'll understand them better" scolds. We talk about it *plenty*.