what dem leadership are searching for, honestly, is "some guy who has all of obama's '08 charisma, but without obama's '08 campaign that pissed us off and attacked hillary's corporate ties and criticized us (which was a huge part of his appeal to voters)" an asskisser with crowd hypno spells shit - ThreadSky

spacetwinks.bsky.social • 179 days ago

what dem leadership are searching for, honestly, is "some guy who has all of obama's '08 charisma, but without obama's '08 campaign that pissed us off and attacked hillary's corporate ties and criticized us (which was a huge part of his appeal to voters)"

an asskisser with crowd hypno spells shit

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lawrencefriday.bsky.social•179 days ago

I wonder if this was Buttigieg's appeal. Aping Obama's cadence, a minority (but less immediately obvious), and willing to stay in line.

vegetablegremlin.bsky.social•179 days ago

the funny thing is every obama impersonator theyve rolled out has been deeply, viscerally appealing once they step to the national stage

tplus.games•179 days ago

This is why they started putting their finger the scales in the 2016 primary.

spacetwinks.bsky.social•179 days ago

leadership that refuses to share with AOC even after she goes along to get along and starts kissing ass, that tells markey to take a hike when he suggests cutting august recess short, and made sure howard dean of all people was kicked the fuck out of power, just will not concede anything to anyone

hexmaniacwingy.bsky.social•179 days ago

16 years later and they're still mad that Obama "cut the line" lmao

spacetwinks.bsky.social•179 days ago

SO fucking mad. unbelievably mad. it really isn't about "oh everybody has to make concessions, politics is imperfect-" because his presidency is just nonstop standard dem shit, same shit hillary would do and it DOESN'T MATTER CUZ THEY'RE STILL MAD HE DARED TO CHALLENGE THEM AND WIN

shuchancellor.online•179 days ago

Why. It so doesn't matter anymore. It arguably never mattered. They are all still rich and untethered from Real Problems. Who is this petty about stupid bullshit.

hexmaniacwingy.bsky.social•179 days ago

when you have no real problems all that's left is petty ego problems

infiniteview.bsky.social•179 days ago

I still think about how at an 08 primary caucus we needed to elect a chairman or some shit and the dnc op was like "so just vote for me and we'll move on" and some lady stood up and said "no, I'm gonna run" and she won and the op was sooo mad. The op was a young person too so it's not just age.

spacetwinks.bsky.social•179 days ago

A PARTY THAT ISN'T WILLING TO SHARE WITH HOWARD FUCKING DEAN ISN'T WILLING TO SHARE WITH ANYONE!!!!

hexmaniacwingy.bsky.social•179 days ago

or how when AOC won the DNC rewrote the rules formally blackballing any campaign advisor who helps primary an incumbent dem

hexmaniacwingy.bsky.social•179 days ago

except when they let aipac money flood out any dem who criticizes genocide in gaza ofc

spacetwinks.bsky.social•179 days ago

very telling that their reaction to her victory wasn't "shit, how do we adjust to this and keep winning" but "we have GOT to make sure we don't have to share any of our money and power with anybody who isn't part of the pre-approved ingroup"

spacetwinks.bsky.social•179 days ago

so you get a lot of articles that talk policy ideas and suggestions of new strategy but all end up being, intentionally or not, largely just begging party leadership "please stop being so petty, please stop having such a deathgrip on everything, please share at least a LITTLE" and they won't

nh4n3.bsky.social•179 days ago

What dies first, Dick Durbin or Democracy?

spacetwinks.bsky.social•179 days ago

literally whenever people told me ideas of what dems COULD do i'd keep going "some of these things are good ideas. but, realistically, which is going to come first:

-dem leadership 180s their behavior and actually do any of these
-dick durbin and co. finally die of old age"

spacetwinks.bsky.social•179 days ago

any strategy people have for what dems could do different, be you a hard leftie like me or "markets are good! but there could be some tweaks" warren incrementalist, all of them stop at "dem leadership doesn't want to do any of it, they aren't retiring, they aren't sharing, and they ain't dead"

nh4n3.bsky.social•179 days ago

I don't think I'd describe Warrenism that way but leaving that aside I think the top priority for all Democrats does need to be ending the gerontocracy

belleofball.bsky.social•179 days ago

I do kind of wish we could buy them out, but I don't think that's possible.

They're already rich, and they don't want to do anything other be in Congress.

spacetwinks.bsky.social•179 days ago

whatever the articles' ideas are, you can basically replace all of them with "dem leadership: could you please die of old age as soon as possible so we can at least have a window of opportunity to change tactics? it would really help us out", which'd have the same impact

lizardlord.bsky.social•179 days ago

Do you think younger leadership would actually change things? While it's true that mindsets change powerful organizations will always do what they can to preserve their power. The people who take up leadership roles will be little different from their predecessors in that respect.

spacetwinks.bsky.social•179 days ago

in terms of a lib-lefty kinda difference? largely, no. i am not some fool who thinks there is actually a massive ideological gap between most of dem leadership and the younger electeds - many of the people kept underneath them have pretty similar ideologies, even.

robot-bastard.bsky.social•178 days ago

younger people might at least have brains that aren't dissolving into senescence
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/dianne-feinstein-senate-17079487.php

horizontalhold.bsky.social•179 days ago

This and the whole of the original thread makes me wonder. It seems even the pundits crave some form of populism. They just want a one-term Jimmy Carter. You think that's the likely ticket in 28 or no?

lizardlord.bsky.social•179 days ago

I'm glad to hear that. As of now the ideology necessary for real change is not present in the Democratic party. Do you think it ever will be? Or do you think the Democrats are a stagnant dead end?

spacetwinks.bsky.social•179 days ago

what i do think is the younger electeds would be more interested in - and have more energy for - actually getting some fucking WORK done, and maintaining *party* power, instead of 'individual/clique power'. the dem leadership RN is fine with the *party* being fucked if *they're* fine.

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