1. Firing Derek Shelton doesn't fix the Pirates. 2. He is still an objectively bad manager that should not have been brought back 3. Points 1 and 2 also apply to Ben Cherington, with point 2 applying even more to him. Multiple things can be true at the same time. - ThreadSky

adamgretz.bsky.social • 45 days ago

1. Firing Derek Shelton doesn't fix the Pirates.

2. He is still an objectively bad manager that should not have been brought back

3. Points 1 and 2 also apply to Ben Cherington, with point 2 applying even more to him.

Multiple things can be true at the same time.

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kengravy.bsky.social•45 days ago

2 shoes had dog shit on them. They took one shoe off and are continuing to walk around the house in the other.

johnathanochonueve.bsky.social•45 days ago

Um, you forgot #4; Robert Nutting is still owner of the team, so it's not like the Pirates will turn things around immediately. Or ever.

jmature.bsky.social•45 days ago

Firing Shelton was a step in the right direction in my opinion. The Pirates honestly should've fired him 2 years ago after those back-to-back 100 loss seasons. The next step is either Ben Cherington gets fired, or Bob Nutsack sells the team

volunteerpenguin.bsky.social•45 days ago

Yeah at the end of the day Cherington was never going to get fired before Shelton. This just brings us one step closer to his eventual exit also.

fcentertainmentpgh.bsky.social•44 days ago

but, to what end? Cherington fires Shelton....than Nutting has Williams fire Cherington....than Nutting finally fires Williams and a new 5 year plan is started - nutting like kickin the can down the road...

volunteerpenguin.bsky.social•44 days ago

In an intelligent world they would all be fired at the same time, I'm just saying this is always how it works in sports.

fcentertainmentpgh.bsky.social•44 days ago

The Pirates are a truly cursed franchise...the Nutting Curse began in 2005 (we are twenty years in now) and I predict it will outlast the curse of the Bambino and the Billy Goat curse, COMBINED-as long as a Nutting has ownership of this team, it will be a perennial loser...

bobvols.bsky.social•45 days ago

Shuffling deck chairs on the titanic

crankyoldcrackpot.bsky.social•45 days ago

Pirates need to either put some effort into building a team around Skenes or they need to trade him.

Their fanbase and Pittsburgh deserve better.

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