I still don't understand the need for companies like Microsoft to spend tons of hours massaging AI prompts to produce some shitty 10 fps Quake demo and pretend AI made it easy. AI isn't profitable! It never will be, it costs too much! Growing it is just growing your god damn losses you idiots! - ThreadSky | a Reddit-style client for Bluesky

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social • 56 days ago

I still don't understand the need for companies like Microsoft to spend tons of hours massaging AI prompts to produce some shitty 10 fps Quake demo and pretend AI made it easy.

AI isn't profitable! It never will be, it costs too much! Growing it is just growing your god damn losses you idiots!

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Microsoft has created an AI-generated version of Quake

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alib234.bsky.social•56 days ago

I'd say just let microsoft cook themselves, they've been doing it for a long time but they've recently turned up the heat

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

They're actually the most reasonable one somehow. They've been pulling back from their AI investment, while everyone else goes full steam ahead off a cliff

alib234.bsky.social•56 days ago

you say that but it is literally microsoft making the AI generated quake2 and talking about how AI could be used in this way to "port" games, which will then "run" on operating systems/consoles the game isn't on(even tho it would still be generated in the microsoft servers so it doesn't really run)

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

Yeah, they're doing it out of the public eye.

They cancelled a ton of data center contracts. OpenAI basically belonged to them, and they stopped supporting OpenAI and they had to turn to Softbank for money.

They're still trying to force it, but no longer betting on it.

davidborsodi.com•56 days ago

The capitalist hype machine needs a new fixation for investors to gamble on. It just happens to be AI this time. I can't wait for this craze to be over.
But hey, some schmuck can finally generate some ghibli AI slop while the planet cooks us alive

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

But the thing with this one is that even if it succeeds, it doesn't make money! They would have to increases prices tenfold with no reduction in users to even break even!

Even if you convince everyone to use the think they don't want or need, it still costs too much to make money!

davidborsodi.com•56 days ago

That's okay, the early investors and founders have already exited at that point with the bag. If you look at it through that lens, it's clear as day they just want to keep the money train going for as long as possible. Once it starts to crumble, they are out.

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

I think this is different. The only company that has made any money during this is Nvidia. Once the companies cut their losses, it's gonna be hell in silicon valley

davidborsodi.com•56 days ago

Yeah it might implode a bit but SV is just gonna move onto the next thing. They survived the dotcom bubble as well. These investors are not particularly smart, the next charismatic founder/talking head comes along and tells them this is the new way of life they will lap it up and gamble more.

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

Oh I mean yeah, the companies will survive. The rich assholes in charge will survive. The rank and fill will not.

I said it would be hell, after all. Hell is only painful if you're not one of the demons in charge.

jademarker.bsky.social•56 days ago

Ah but you see. Line go up

Fr though, it's insane how the stock is just vibes. Because like. Investors don't understand, well anything

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

The stock market is such a scam

tarsogalvao.ddns.net•56 days ago

when it runs on a pregnancy test ill be impressed.

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

I'm sure this took the electricity output of like, Tokyo to generate so you know, almost there.

tarsogalvao.ddns.net•56 days ago

At least we got mass flooding to compensate the drying of the rivers to play a shitty quake ripoff for a couple of minutes huh? 🫠

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

Wow you got it to run for whole minutes?

tarsogalvao.ddns.net•56 days ago

😂
Nah, I wouldn't touch anything a dude named literally "Bills" and "Gates" puts out.

I should name my son Open Source I guess.

razielsghost.bsky.social•56 days ago

yep its all stupid hype that investors are crazy about these days. You simply need to have ai

lace3d.live•56 days ago

I think they mostly just do it to see if they can cause the tech is new and they find it neat

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

If only that were the case. This has been a massive and concentrated yearslong effort by every tech giant and every media apparatus to try to force us to think we want something that nobody wants.

lace3d.live•56 days ago

Well I mostly mean this specific instance of using AI in quake. I don't entirely know the specifics of what they did but I assume they probably ported it to a more modern engine and used AI to upscale or generate new models/textures

mrbaskerville.bsky.social•56 days ago

I think they hope that at some point they can create games with a button press. But they could have created thousands upon thousands of games for the money spent reaching that point.

And I also hope no one would want that, because it sounds like a nightmare.

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

Sure, they hope that. But they're fucking morons to think that they'll ever be able to do that.

You would have better luck spending all that money to just get humans to make you a tool to generate games.

diogo-duarte.bsky.social•56 days ago

I think these are made by showing gameplay to the AI for hours, rather than text prompts. But your point still stands.

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

I mean you still have to prompt it to do something. If it were a machine that just looked at hours of gameplay and then created a cheap shitty knockoff of it, that would be even less useful.

mrbaskerville.bsky.social•56 days ago

This might be the root of what they are doing: https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/xbox-could-use-ai-to-preserve-classic-games-claims-ceo-phil-spencer

diogo-duarte.bsky.social•56 days ago

They would make a better job at preservation if they forced companies to release source code to all the vaporware and dead server games they produce.

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

Except for the amount of money and hours they spend, they could just fucking port every game in history

mrbaskerville.bsky.social•56 days ago

True. But with ai everything is backwards. They invented the thing and now they have to force ways to use it, no matter the costs.

I also imagine Spencer has been given a mandate from the higher ups. Find ways to use ai in videogames. It's not innovation driven by need.

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

I GUARANTEE you a human could have made a better shitty demo of Quake in 1/10th the time for 1/10th the cost.

I would bet a person who has never programmed anything in their life could also do it better, faster, and cheaper.

joramwolters.com•56 days ago

Hey @microsoft.com if you want an action shooter I can make you one for like 1/1000th of whatever this is' daily burn rate

sosowski.bsky.social•56 days ago

LOL it's exactly as broken as I imagined. How can you ship a game that breaks when you look at the floor?

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

That's why they only let people play it for a limited amount of time

eternalskiestcg.bsky.social•56 days ago

Repeat after me moron companies: No matter how many billions of dollars you throw at it, AI is never ever ever ever ever going to be able to make you anything that isn't shit by you typing "make me a cool game"

It will just lose money. You are throwing money in a hole you idiots.