“In the long run, there are no secrets in science. The universe will not cooperate in a cover-up.” — Arthur C. Clarke - ThreadSky

davidpriess.bsky.social • 172 days ago

“In the long run, there are no secrets in science. The universe will not cooperate in a cover-up.”

— Arthur C. Clarke

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willemcd.bsky.social•171 days ago

Although the Big Bang has been pretty uncooperative in revealing what preceded it…

mackrill.net•171 days ago

Currently we have ΛCDM .... waiting for that pack of non-science to fall.

roadsister.bsky.social•172 days ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😎

bluegrapes122.bsky.social•171 days ago

I guess the biggest sience budgets military have. And they might try to reduce the spread of their inventions.

clearvengance.bsky.social•171 days ago

I absolutely agree; all we have to do is not extinguish ourselves in the interim.

bfgaloot.bsky.social•171 days ago

"Where did it all come from" seems definitely to be hidden, the farthest back we can see is 300k years post BB, the "Time Of First Transparency".

tinmanbs.bsky.social•170 days ago

We don't need to see it to understand it. I expect we will model the first 300K, and with good precision (after the first second or so).

jameswatsonblog.bsky.social•171 days ago

Just gotta do enough math first...

clearvengance.bsky.social•171 days ago

For the space-time stuff; yep. We could have the math now (inter-universal Teichmüller theory), or it could be 10,000 years in the future.

Then we'll have to wait for the person who understands the math, and can apply it.

umbrarchist.bsky.social•170 days ago

Interesting point.

Where are all of the engineers and physicists asking about the distribution of steel down the Twin Towers?

rigbythedog.bsky.social•171 days ago

Isn’t the scientific method basically trial and error?

nataliahaze.bsky.social•172 days ago

That's some real talk right there.

lucinda51.bsky.social•171 days ago

So true, don’t mess with Mother Nature

raylomas.bsky.social•171 days ago

We need to powet up deep thought again

jordanrs.bsky.social•171 days ago

In the very long run, yes. In our lifetimes, idiots with more money than God and online mobs can warp a lot of perceptions with myths with a long half-life.

bisonguy.bsky.social•171 days ago

“In the long run, there are no secrets in science. The universe will not cooperate in a cover-up.”

In that vein, Arthur - perhaps you’d like to explain the last 30 minutes of the 1968 film “2001: A Space Odyssey” 🤔

dianegoloff.bsky.social•171 days ago

Correct

happyfox711.bsky.social•171 days ago

That was a
Great man.
Arthur C. Clarke
RIP
His legacy lives on.

https://archive.org/details/23ScienceFictionBooks-ArthurClarke/page/n1/mode/1up

poetsden.bsky.social•171 days ago

💫

willowsharing.bsky.social•172 days ago

Very good point I hope we live long enough to see the universe win

ilovesuckers.bsky.social•171 days ago

Some people are trying their dam best to cover up

verbiuxx.bsky.social•171 days ago

The truth will always come out, and trying to hide it is pointless. This reminds us to be humble, honest, and transparent in our pursuit of knowledge.

kaurifish.bsky.social•171 days ago

Ha, I read "The Light of Other Days." Even when we figure out time windows, the universe will still keep a few secrets.

neverstopfighting.bsky.social•171 days ago

Why is that sexy?

hot-coconut.bsky.social•172 days ago

History, on the other hand...

ssmoserjolly.bsky.social•172 days ago

yes it’s big

crazyeddie404.bsky.social•172 days ago

Wow. That is BREATHTAKINGLY naive, even for Clarke.

pastpresented.bsky.social•171 days ago

No it isn't. Randomness is not a cover-up.

crazyeddie404.bsky.social•171 days ago

But orthodoxy often IS. Particularly if the data needed to debunk a widely held scientific "fact" can only be gathered at great expense in a Publish or Die academic regime.

Secrets can be buried with enough money and connections. The "universe" will not expose them just because you want it to.

pastpresented.bsky.social•171 days ago

That's exactly why the quote starts with "In the long run ..."

crazyeddie404.bsky.social•171 days ago

And that's exactly why I call that quote naive. When a lie goes unchallenged long enough, it becomes truth.

pastpresented.bsky.social•171 days ago

Nothing that conflicts with emerging facts can be true

desertpersians.bsky.social•171 days ago

God, intelligence is soooo f*cking sexy!

albanianalexander.bsky.social•171 days ago

Quote by guy who fought to cover up his shenanigans with young boys in Sri Lanka

cleantecher.bsky.social•171 days ago

no it will whisper the secrets to you, and you will want to shout them from the roof tops, and they will not listen. so they will bury you in unconsecrated ground for being a heretic in love.

askme99.bsky.social•172 days ago

We just may never have the technology to find all the secrets. Will need to figure out how to go faster than the speed of light or how to use quantum entanglement to discover what's at the bottom of a black hole. Please reciprocate and fb.

penowski.bsky.social•172 days ago

Einstein's theory states that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.

askme99.bsky.social•172 days ago

Correct, which is why under present understanding of physics, can't find what's at the end of a black hole. But science is always about testing. As I said, if we find we can go faster than the speed of light or how to use quantum entanglement, we may be able to find out what's at the other end

penowski.bsky.social•172 days ago

Now my head is ready to explode. I love thinking about it.

askme99.bsky.social•172 days ago

Me too. The concept of quantum entanglement especially. They've prove in occurs, at least in short distances. Now if we can make it works at light year distances that would be unreal. We could send a probe into a black hole and an object/sensor is entangled with one on Earth.

penowski.bsky.social•172 days ago

Even getting close to the speed of light would require an immense amount of energy and present significant challenges related to acceleration and radiation exposure

askme99.bsky.social•172 days ago

Agreed, we aren't anywhere close.

senecabuckeye848.bsky.social•171 days ago

Wow. Another one of my adolescent heroes

lordmalignance.bsky.social•172 days ago

Unless, the universe as we know it, is a simulation, and the closer you look at the edges, the more obvious the simulation fails and science seems to break down and give wrong answers.
Something along the lines of, "You can know position or momentum, but not both with great accuracy".

chindaswind.bsky.social•171 days ago

So moving.

paula-projekt.bsky.social•171 days ago

Well, that's not exactly correct. For example, one cannot determine the position AND the momentum of an elementary particle with any precision (Werner Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, 1926). Even in mathematics there is no absolute truth (Kurt Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems 1931).

raiastar.bsky.social•172 days ago

Well put. The challenges lie in getting through to closed down mindsets who refuse to conceive and believe beyond their programming from churches, family dynamics and social bias.

pko7.bsky.social•171 days ago

Tell that to Musk. Clarke outshines him !

clearvengance.bsky.social•171 days ago

TBF, Clarke was a singular intellect.

domebuilder.bsky.social•171 days ago

Let's not forget that Arthur C. Clarke was a Paedophile,
not to detract from his books, only his predilections.

markwags.bsky.social•171 days ago

Now the towel makes sense

joshuacarterofmars.bsky.social•171 days ago

Your mother was a pedofile.

akivaw.bsky.social•172 days ago

Wir müssen wissen – wir werden wissen.

suncloudswe.bsky.social•171 days ago

Galileo won. In the end science will outlast religious nationalism.

lefwin.bsky.social•172 days ago

Science only changes when new facts are discovered. The possibilities are endless.

niknakinoaktown.bsky.social•172 days ago

this is the positive message of the day for me-thanks…

dizzykincade.bsky.social•171 days ago

“In the long run” is the biggest horse shit qualifier ever to attach to a generally false statement

There is endless secrecy, gatekeeping, favoritism & kneecapping in science

A field funded by donors, corporate institutions & academia - all of which have their own agendas

Didn’t we just do Covid?

krich58.bsky.social•171 days ago

"There is endless secrecy, gatekeeping, favoritism & kneecapping in science..."

To me it seems you are mistaking science for "scientists."
amIright?

dizzykincade.bsky.social•133 days ago

Totally get your point, but lost in translation is that I completely agree with you.

Unfortunately there’s a lot of scientists not doing science, and the disparity is becoming concerning.

daintist.bsky.social•172 days ago

Those saying they have some kind of special insight outside of scientific consensus are 9.99/10 the ones that are looking to part you from your life savings.

mrjavy7.bsky.social•171 days ago

There is only complexity to be discovered and then understood -that will take time.

seshadrimanu.bsky.social•171 days ago

This is the most intelligent thing I've heard all day.

kriszke.bsky.social•171 days ago

You get the PR department, determining when everything gets out ~~~

kriszke.bsky.social•171 days ago

Indeed, no cover ups my friend, we let it all out

violetbytradition.bsky.social•171 days ago

The "Chernobyl" series did an beautiful job illustrating that theme.

upsidehockey.bsky.social•171 days ago

Cc @nateshore.bsky.social

scurpdurgen.bsky.social•171 days ago

The more sophisticated "Facts don't care about your feelings."

silvered.bsky.social•171 days ago

Quantum physics literally has cover ups.

curious-blue-dot.bsky.social•171 days ago

I need to read some Arthur C. Clarke. It has been too long.

djmaro.bsky.social•171 days ago

Really?

neil-1936.bsky.social•171 days ago

Reproducibility is key to scientific research.

magicmar.bsky.social•171 days ago

More sci fi astuteness that has somehow no longer in man's braincells

karma-chaos.bsky.social•172 days ago

Chaos Theory disagrees - but Clarke wasn't aware of it.

Read Ilya Prigogine, the End of Certainty.

pastpresented.bsky.social•171 days ago

Uncertainty is about randomness, not about secrets

karma-chaos.bsky.social•171 days ago

Randomness is the ultimate secret 🤷. This means that the secrets of the universe always remain hidden unless discovered by chance or persistent people.

And yeah, one secret is human language and meaning - We might be speaking about the same thing and still arguing 😅😅

rockmelter.bsky.social•171 days ago

Yes. But sometimes the run is very long, with detours

againstkookery.bsky.social•172 days ago

Black holes destroy information though.

whirlwindhelp.bsky.social•171 days ago

The Titanic sub showed that the wealthy genuinely believe they can bend science to their hubris. Doesn't bode well for climate change.

notso-wild-bill.bsky.social•171 days ago

"Whatever."

—— Justice Powell

Ha! Stay safe.Peace

mammasue7.bsky.social•171 days ago

I’m glad at least in one place won’t have a cover-up.

alikat747.bsky.social•171 days ago

Central and over-arching truth …

meri13fromnola.bsky.social•171 days ago

But the MAGA's will!!

billybeans.bsky.social•171 days ago

Arthur C. Clarke, Issac Assimov and the man himself, Carl Sagan.

srwhitelegg.bsky.social•171 days ago

You would think he has never met an American Christian.

markjoel.bsky.social•171 days ago

How many more decades of not finding a physical basis for mind and admitting it's beyond science? I think the charade is over soon for humanity. Science will resemble bookkeeping then.

arcaneatelier.bsky.social•171 days ago

Figure A.
Stupid people can not grapple intelligent ideas. Therefore, they craft their own delusions.

markjoel.bsky.social•171 days ago

You're referring to the delusion of the materialist brain, I take.

arcaneatelier.bsky.social•171 days ago

Figure B.
The stupid person wins via war of attrition. Refusal to retort is acceptance of defeat. Losing the battle of wits, they seek to take the last word and attention of the public.

raylee99.bsky.social•169 days ago

That was a shit comeback. The brain is indisputably material. But I understand the attraction of thinking that certain things are "beyond science" for those who are too stupid and lazy to understand science.

arcaneatelier.bsky.social•169 days ago

Refer to Figure B for explanation of behavior.

markjoel.bsky.social•168 days ago

I said "brain" and should've said "mind". Non material processes in mind, body and physics is so big now, ridicule is the only bad answer. M. Levin at Tufts for ex, shows developmental biology involving energy fields and their non physical plans beyond DNA. All fields point to more beyond.

raylee99.bsky.social•168 days ago

I just did a quick check on Michael Levin and nothing I read suggested his work has shown any evidence for a non-material component to consciousness
But perhaps you can provide some links to his work that does?

raylee99.bsky.social•168 days ago

Energy and matter are effectively the same thing. Einstein’s famous equation was an illustration of that. So the fact that biological systems produce energy is hardly evidence for a non material component for consciousness.

raylee99.bsky.social•168 days ago

There isn’t any evidence at all for any non-material component to consciousness. Claiming that your cherished notion is “big now” in science just sound like over excited waffling.

nlist.bsky.social•171 days ago

I think he's talking about Christianity.

raylee99.bsky.social•169 days ago

How many more millennia of wallowing in trivial religious delusions because they are emotionally comforting? And how much longer will petulant, churlish buffoons keep whining and sneering about the supposed limitations of science - on the ****ing Internet!

laslocravensworth.bsky.social•171 days ago

It means that eventually, in the field of science, any truth or phenomenon, no matter how hidden or concealed, will be discovered through rigorous investigation and observation, as the natural world itself will not actively obstruct the pursuit of knowledge

the universe will not conspire to keep se

bigmonk.bsky.social•171 days ago

Nothing demonstrates man's arrogance and ignorance as his belief he can explain his own existence. - wfkeck

bobbiebee.bsky.social•171 days ago

Brilliant man!

chambyy.bsky.social•171 days ago

Yeah - why is physics so damn hard then?! Coincidence?

Don't trust the Universe, it's up to something!

(just in case: I'm not serious)

atomicdumpling.com•172 days ago

I used to watch him on tv as a kid. I miss his show.

https://m.imdb.com/video/vi3982933785/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk

batmobile63-65.bsky.social•171 days ago

Love that! Nor will Mother Nature!

potnar.bsky.social•171 days ago

She hides herself in minutes and miles. The space between us is all that grows and goes.

thatonegirl2024.bsky.social•171 days ago

So true 💙

ralph-nozwicki.bsky.social•172 days ago

All technology is indistinguishable from magic.

smartmove.bsky.social•171 days ago

I miss this guy. Loved to hear him speak, loved his books. What a guy.

stirlingnewberry.bsky.social•172 days ago

Not true - some distances to short, some times to long, the universe participates in the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

widenorthernskies.bsky.social•171 days ago

Three things cannot be hidden long:
The Sun
The Moon
The Truth

(Buddha)

gavinmabie.bsky.social•172 days ago

Until you discover Kurt Gödel and his Incompleteness Theorems, which basically holds that there are undiscoverable truths in any formal system.

lochness-legume.bsky.social•171 days ago

So what, we just ran out of turtles?! They said all the way down.

optimysticguy.bsky.social•171 days ago

Russiapublicans are Chaos merchants disguised as Americans

golfdudegaming.bsky.social•172 days ago

Then explain why particles act different when I look at em? Sounds like a cover-up to me

the-dancing-calf.bsky.social•171 days ago

Truthy !

liannewildlife.bsky.social•171 days ago

Well, we can walk around with our eyes shut for decades and miss a lot

pdx71.bsky.social•172 days ago

Climate change is a great example. Can’t be ignored anymore.

annambry.bsky.social•172 days ago

I’m not the brightest bulb, but I have observed that the universe doesn’t give a crap about anything except physics.

dogman73.bsky.social•171 days ago

Just don’t make it mandatory.

krich58.bsky.social•171 days ago

"The end result is a gulf in COVID-19 death rates between red and blue states, one that is particularly amplified when examining the most and least vaccinated states."

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/red-blue-america-glaring-divide-covid-19-death/story?id=83649085

andeeharry1.bsky.social•171 days ago

I see

hurricanehugo1376.bsky.social•172 days ago

This statement was made before Quantum Mechanics was well understood, apparently the universe does cooperate in a cover up

pastpresented.bsky.social•171 days ago

The statement was made (or at least published) in 1999, well into the current era of getting hopelessly tangled up in Strings

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