I think watering down "detrans grifter" to mean "anyone who dares to have opinions after detransitioning" might be a bad idea actually, "detrans grifter" describes a very specific type of political figure
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I've said before that as we are surviving this benighted age of hatred, we all gotta get real comfortable real fast with detransitioned people telling their stories, providing facts about their experiences.
We can oppose disinfo, we can oppose propaganda, but not every detransitioner is an enemy.
I think this is complicated by the fact that most of the time when someone encounters a detrans individual, they are on a podcast or somehow seeking attention, which will heavily bias that population towards grifters
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If their opinions are anti-trans I call them detrans propagandists I use grifter if it appears they’ve built a career out of being a transphobic piece of shit and get backing from billionaires and large right wing media companies.
"Detrans, has opinions and appears on podcasts" isn't sufficient. There's a pretty important difference between appearing on a megachurch-funded nazi podcast, versus a zero-income podcast about transitioning to kill god or something
I used to follow a detransitioning with thousands of followers. She was lovely, explicitly pro-trans, AND had a pretty big reach AND openly talked about her transition regret.
So nah, I don’t think “reach” is the most important factor
Im pretty sure that would be categorized as grifter in this sense 🧐 The detrans story was the commodity? Not someone famous for other reasons, but because they were trans? Were they appearing on major outlets for that reason? 🤔
They were famous for being a good Twitter poster; yeah, their views on gender factored into this, because they have a unique perspective! But as far as I’m aware they weren’t making any money from it. And hell, if they were, I’d be HAPPY that somebody was able to make money while being so-
-explicitly pro-trans in their narrative. I’d argue that we actually need to be doing more to uplift voices like hers! It’s sad to see so much distrust and bias coming from within my community :(
I only have a few followers on Twitch, scarsely more on YT. But they still default to open access as opposed to invite only like a Discord server. Clearly after membership hits thousands we are talking small audience at least, but still a scale down from "on tv" 🤓🏴☠️
I get where you're coming from, but I do think it's a good thing when detrans women are compared to trans women. Because trans women are women, and should not be exclusively compared to, say, detrans men or other trans people.
If we're talking about the quotes I think we're talking about, they're from two different detrans women. The first expresses concern for being treated violently because of being taken for a trans woman – the example given is a guy in a club whom she's approached, and who found her IG and pronouns.
I don't think this is unreasonable. It's of course not exactly the same as being a trans woman but I haven't seen this claim being made. And we all know how men attracted to you can react when they believe (rightly or wrongly) you're a trans woman. It's a fear for life, not a minor inconvenience.
The other quote was trying to *explain* why certain people who were AFAB'd describe themselves as transfem, pointing to a certain commonality of experience between trans and detrans women. Like, even the doctors we go to and HRT we take are the same. But it didn't *defend* making this claim.
Absolutely, there's a world of difference between saying "I am *like* a trans woman, even though I *am not* transfem" and calling yourself "AFAB transfem".
I'll be real. After years of just devastating public display of transphobia with detransition as a supposed driver, I instinctively bristle at detransitioners participating in the discourse, but that's not actually the fault of those who detransitioned. It's the fault of ppl using them as weapons
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We can oppose disinfo, we can oppose propaganda, but not every detransitioner is an enemy.
In my case ive been using the term internally when considering broadcasting my tv playlist somehow. ( Twitch v. YT v. Discord room ) But it applies.
So nah, I don’t think “reach” is the most important factor