“Brexit made the UK an early victim of this reactionary politics which, instead of making this country great again, has already made it poorer and lonelier. Who knows what further damage may be awaiting our younger generations.”
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Brexit was the result of this country’s obsession with its past, and its wealth extorting other countries with fire. A reversal would just promote Reform UK.
I dare to say the majority has no clue about what’s the EU. This includes politicians, shocking their EU counterparts with their ignorance!
It was a strategy by Farage and his mates to create chaos in Britain and destroy it. He’s done the same in the USA and attempted the same in Australia. He’s a fascist working with other fascists across the world
Starmer will never do anything , he's not got the courage. A Tory at heart, He's like a supply teacher, he'll not change anything until the full time teacher (The Tories) get back in.
And do not forget it was intentional. Brexit drivers wanted a state of affairs where public spending was cut because economy was hitting the buffers. The richest are immune to Brexit’s fall out as they were to financial crash.
By voting to impose sanctions on themselves and giving up their own freedom of movement, the British showed they are as uninformed and digitally lobotomized as Americans. The key difference is that Americans once again voted for the Big Orange Blob of Failure.
Let me answer a slightly different question - do I think Labour would have gotten more than 34% of the vote with a more honest approach to the failures of Brexit? Yes.
I wish I could be that optimistic. The symbolism of Brexit is really deep in so many people’s psyche. They would hate to have it pushed in their faces that they were wrong, which of course they were. Like all political parties Labour will have done their market research. Sad.
Well, almost 50% of us got it right back in 2016 and there was historically a majority against the far right in the UK so seems probable that a party promising genuine change would have appealed to > 34%. As things stand, Labour is making Reform's case for it and we're seeing that in the polling.
The plebs were sold fear and lies by actors. The continual problem the U.K. have is keeping their nose up the arse of the Septics, listening to propaganda from the foreign billionaire backed media and think tanks. Leveson 2 needs to be enacted and terrorists arrested.
Of course. As long as they know the truth. And they get to vote on it. If you were still in, do you think you'd have even more illegal immigration? That would be horrific.
You forget when we were in France did a good job of STOPPING ppl coming over, there was a few hundred per year, not all the boats etc. Now France stand bk as its not their problem.
Do you think Labour would have won if they had a ‘rejoin’ message, rather than the ‘closer ties’ message they did have? I’d seriously like to hear your views on this, perhaps with evidence?
You have the lowest wages in the Europe, the lowest pensions in Europe and the lowest benefits in most of the western world, frappage is now trying to sell the UK to the same billionaires who have just bought the US none of which will change those issues
When 30 Nobel prize winning economists say that trump's trade tarrifs will result in a 1929 style recession i tend to believe them over a failed Orange t.v personality who cannot read
It's the same in the UK, low information low intelligence pensioners having a revolution which has led to some of the lowest salaries in the eu,the lowest pensions, and the brexit media shouting that the UK economy cannot afford to pay taxes or for workers to have rights or reasonable salaries
News from a year and a half ago. 🤣 Laughable little "man". What' the growth rate in the eurozone today and what is it in Brexshit Britain? Oh. 0,0% was it? 😂
Dumb little "man". So desperate. Cling on to your sinking Brutish Peso.
You know that the EU is a basket case right now. France and Germany in particular. Britain's economic problems are minor compared with Macron trying to hold onto power. Whinging remoaning won't cut it. Leaving the corrupt and incompetent EU was best for Britain.
Would that be France and Germany whose workers are 20% more productive than the lazy English "workers"? Would that be the France and Germany that are successful net exporters? Would that be the France and Germany that pay lower interest rates when they borrow money than Brexshit Britain? 🤣
You are really kidding yourself. You know as well as I do, French and German workers cost a lot more than UK workers. They need to more productive. Possibly around 28% more.
I'm not "remoaning" stupid little "man", I am an EU citizen and a staunch supporter of Brexshit. Getting rid of the corrupt and incompetent UK was the best thing to happen to the EU. 😂
P.S.: Would that be the "incompetent" EU that took Davis, Raab and "Lord" Frost to the cleaners?
Yeah sure sweetheart. 😂 The English delusions never cease to amaze. What's growth in the UK? Oh. 0,0 %. 😂 Highest interest rates in Europe bar for Russia. Highest taxes since the Second World War. Highest debt since the sixties. But keep on lying about the EU. 😂
It's an ongoing hurt, with ever more #BrexitDisaster, continuing until we reverse course and #RejoinEU to boost trade with our European neighbours.
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My view: The Labour party is still suffering from losing in 2019. Its a political version on PTSD & is so anxious about losing the Redwall for ever that it will not take any steps to give the Mail a chance to say
”we told you so”.
The silly thing is that if Red Wall local authorities were targeted with extra cash for public services (which the older folk use frequently) then much of the discontent would evaporate. They would be happy bumbling around their renovated town centres and not feeling like the world was against them.
I’d tweeted after Johnson’s win that he can go at his leisure if he full filled his promise to “level up”- id say the same about Labour. Spend money on physical structures in all the coastal and northern towns. Create jobs for those not going into further education.
The damage is done. We just have to suck it up. Congrats to the right wing press and decades of incessant Euro-bashing. A shout-out too to Putin’s propaganda machine.
La propagande des brexiters n'aurait pas si bien marché si les Anglais dans leur ensemble n'avaient pas cru à la supériorité intrinsèque de leur pays et confondu patriotisme et nationalisme. Soyez réaliste vous n'êtes plus un empire et le Commonwealth n'est qu'un vieux vestige de grandeur
The propaganda of the Brexiters would not have worked so well if the English as a whole had not believed in the intrinsic superiority of their country and confused patriotism and nationalism. Be realistic you are no longer an empire and the Commonwealth is just an old vestige of grandeur.
Address the extreme lack of control, disenfranchisement and being ignored by central governments - for the English especially, who have it worst - that fuels Euroscepticism and the hard right generally.
But 14 years of the left being disenfranchised still didn’t stop people voting for right wing Reform. Maybe it the problem is they manage their propaganda better than us.
Exactly. He needs to be pinned down, teacher-style as to how that’s happening, with lots of evidence. Of course, it won’t happen because he can’t show how the impossible can happen. We need more than tinkering at the edges.
Actually we do know, we are stuck between an America that just voted in a wannabe despot controlled by billionaires and a potential rampant and growing Russian state let loose by that same despot…
We know if the worse comes to the worse America and American won’t be there as in the 1st & 2nd wars
We should never forget or forgive those who saddled us and our children with this. None of them should be anywhere near the seat of power, now or ever again. In fact, they should be behind bars for domestic terrorism. They have done us more harm than any other global antagonist.
We could have that from the legacy media, if it wasn’t wholly owned by foreign oligarchs and wholly staffed by the Public School Mafia, and it’s outpouring of hate and malice dripped into the skulls of Red Wall Morons.
The euro zone is drifting down the toilet. The left are losing ground in every country of the euro zone. Thank god I voted to leave. We make more money from trade deals with the rest of the world. Brexit is done. Get a life.
Is that the eurozone that has less debt than the UK and pays lower interest rates? The eurozone of the euro against which the Great Brutish Peso lost 1/3rd of its value since the inception of it? The eurozone that has faster growth than Brexshit Britain? 🤣 Yeah sure sweetheart. 😂
I think it would be good to respond to the begging letters from him saying "not before you commit to....". But we all need to demand the same thing or we will be like a fibrillating heart. What should we demand first Mike?
For those saying we want more than one thing, I know. But it a heart beats a bit like a wave. We will ask for one thing and once they are comfortable with it we can ask for the next part
When we make a mistake we learn from the mistake and then put it right. A normal logical process.
Brexit was a mistake why is no one putting it right ?
Get rid of Starmer and get someone in to take us back into the EU. I believe Andy Burnham will unite the Labour Party. is very popular, is a fantastic communicator, isn’t afraid to speak out and loves this country. The landscape has changed since the GE.
Agree with most of this but I am not convinced an elected party political 2nd chamber is the right way forward. That should be restricted to the Commons. A vote does not a democracy make.
I back some form of non-political, expert-informed cit assembly with cits appointed who have contributed to soc.
Brexit (a ludicrous term) has achieved none of the heady goals that were promised by scheming politicians, yet the government are too scared to upset the MSM by challenging it Why?
Because the hate rags and random far right channels control the narrative. The public school mafia who supervise the discourse are not bound by the restrictions that they’re imposing on the rest of us.
I think the E.U. should ban all the leading Brexit frauds from entering the E.U. in any capacity
I see what you’re saying but does that mean we are perpetually locked in a doom loop? If the MSM control the narrative how can there be a breakthrough? Especially as voter confidence has been diminished. Is the rise of populism guaranteed and the grinning Frog Face
America just aprove our version of Brexit and we'll be going tru the same in the next 4 years, all due to the idiots who believe eggs prices would be lower woth their theatrical 🍊💩 ... I wont feel sorry for them instead i'll rejoice whenever they start complaining about it, they're SUCKERS !
The fact that some of the Brexiteers are enthusiastic about 🍊 and the 51 state of the USA shows that the ‘sovereignty’ cries were misdirection at best and damn lies at the very worst
No one ever discusses whether all 27 states actually want Britain back after the nuisance it caused throughout the illegal leaving process. Britain seems oblivious to it's reputation among Europeans, it's in for a seriously rude awakening when it finds out exactly how reviled it is in Europe.
Millions of us never wanted to leave. I regard myself as European first, British second. You think I shd be 'reviled'? The thousands of us who marched against Brexit - 'reviled'?
Saving for a house in Europe was a contingency that ensured i did n't have to spend my remaining days around the likes of people like you, it was hard but well worth it
It's not a question of what i believe. I have a house in the Dordogne and regularly stay with friends in Aspe Spain, i'm just reporting what we all experience and see on European tv and press. Don't shoot the messenger, and yes Britain is reviled among many Europeans as arrogant and entitled.
Well, you're clearly privileged & entitled. I can't even afford a house here. But I'm culturally, intellectually & imaginatively European first, & I'd happily wade through Leaver guts to get back the citizenship & identity that were taken from me agst my will.
I've worked hard for what i have, i am not privileged or entitled, in fact i grew up black amongst the poorest. Perhaps if you shelved your bitterness and stopped attacking me simply for making my point you would n't come across as so arrogant and bigoted, blaming others is such an English trait.
Actually now that Labour is in office, they can print the current truth, but they wo t identify that that the root cause was Brexit and CONs raiding the kitty.
neither conservative nor progressive politicians in the U.S. want to reach out to the U.K. which is unfortunate. A US/UK/ Canada trade agreement would lift all 3 economies.
its not on the agenda of US political parties so UK might as well go back to EU.
Cameron was warned it was dangerous. Single issue, anti European, mostly right wing press, but still he pressed on in some weird attempt to save his party. A failure on every count.
Scameron spent a whole political career bashing the EU and blaming it for everything and shouting how he was going to "stand up for Britain" in Brussels. He had zero credibility as a remainer and he deservedly reaped what he had sown himself.
Tactical voting next time around should be interesting for Remainers, now Joiners. Either way, Labours vast, but very slim, majority will be decimated without the process of joining the EU commenced.
Starmer's pandering to the red wall was pointless. Brexiters there didn't vote Labour, most split their votes between Reform and Tory, letting Labour through.
We now see much more clearly the influences at play that caused Brexit. In my opinion, we have an obligation to correct our course. All im asking for is our government be clear-eyed and do what's best for the UK, whatever that may be
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I dare to say the majority has no clue about what’s the EU. This includes politicians, shocking their EU counterparts with their ignorance!
He's either a coward or complicit.
Or more likely both.
How are we supposed to proactively* support such a position?
*(Yes, I know the Tories and RefUK are worse, that's a difficult point. I want politics I can support, not damage limitation).
In a democracy you’re allowed to change your mind,
https://bsky.app/profile/disqualified.bsky.social/post/3lbzsdj36b22q
Britain is better off for sure.
Germany is in free fall and the economy tanking
Thank God we are out
Decimated costal communities and started a rot
Thank God we got trump in to drain the swamp! Drill baby drill
I appreciate most lefties are brainwashed so it's not worth answering but to say ....
California should be a place of dreams.... it's now a cesspit
https://news.sky.com/story/eurozone-officially-entered-recession-after-eurostat-revises-figures-12898726
Dumb little "man". So desperate. Cling on to your sinking Brutish Peso.
https://apnews.com/article/france-government-crisis-no-confidence-26555d5c435340bd97f422942f258a0e
P.S.: Prime minister Barnier still outlasted Liz Truss didn't he?
P.S.: Would that be the "incompetent" EU that took Davis, Raab and "Lord" Frost to the cleaners?
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"Not the news you Need"!
https://youtu.be/9UJVGP1vgvI?si=ptKiVNi95B_i-AAg
”we told you so”.
No real changes so far!
Again
The rise of the far right is extremely worrying. We need a well funded think-tank to work out what effective measures can be taken.
Address the extreme lack of control, disenfranchisement and being ignored by central governments - for the English especially, who have it worst - that fuels Euroscepticism and the hard right generally.
But yes, the populists do a good job of weaponizing the problem and suggesting their own solution.
The key is to come up with a better solution.
FWIW, Labour have been trying to do that.
When we we should become marvellous and united.
2025 will be a crazy place
We know if the worse comes to the worse America and American won’t be there as in the 1st & 2nd wars
Some achievement for Global Britain.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78631e4gygo
Brexit was a mistake why is no one putting it right ?
I back some form of non-political, expert-informed cit assembly with cits appointed who have contributed to soc.
I think the E.U. should ban all the leading Brexit frauds from entering the E.U. in any capacity
I do think that the odds are stacked against progress because of the sheer scale of funding and the ubiquity of vested interest legacy media.
I have to believe it is possible
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Even Minford appears to be back pedalling on his ending all UK manufacturing prediction...
NB: We cannot be annexed as a 51st state with a monarchy and territories of our own. It's fluff and misdirection eg gaslighting 101
They best look at Peurto Rico's experience.
UK legacy media perpetuates this.
And the British fell for it because, you know, "brown people."
The same recipe is being across Europe and North America.
its not on the agenda of US political parties so UK might as well go back to EU.
Starmer's pandering to the red wall was pointless. Brexiters there didn't vote Labour, most split their votes between Reform and Tory, letting Labour through.
Nothing and no one will be immune.