I'm beginning to wonder whether 2029 will be the end of both the Conservatives and Labour as major electoral forces. Carry on like this and their seats will number in no more than double figures.
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I know the initial vacuum filling of Reform would be painful, but a bit of me would be excited for a reset. It might be the revolution the system needs.
I was trying not to only think about me. If I lose PIP I can’t afford to eat. I am also facing redundancy due to cuts at my NHS hospital and if that happens, I worry that I won’t get another job because I’m neurodiverse, if that happens, I lose my home. But after Monday that’s it.
Only a small CO-OP around these parts - that’s it - bare shelves last week(cyber attack)sure you’re aware…
Thinking ahead (JIT)🤔
My point?
I think(respectfully)you’re possibly being overly optimistic
- plenty of time between now & 2029 for things to become exponentially apocalyptically worse🤭 🌱🕊️
@georgemonbiot.bsky.social https://social.v.st/@quixoticgeek I would be all in favour of this if I wasn't terrified of their replacements, waiting in the wings. (LibDems: less terrible. Greens: probably okay. But Reform ... oh fuck no! And guess who I think would win the election?)
Frankly Steff, we don't know that, they've not been given the chance. They certainly aren't trying to outright Refoam which labour appear to be doing. The language last week was reprehensible and had real consequences for people of colour.
After 14 years of crap from the tories, Labour are already starting to look as bad & it's taken them less than a year.
Didn't have that on my bingo card.
What's left? Greens & Lib Dems & they get no publicity.
You’re still making the conversion about how you see the current Labour as compared to how an immigrant sees them.
An immigrant would never say that the current Labour is similar to the Lib Dems or Greens, because the Lib Dems & Greens are not demonising immigrants.
The tories & reform I'd lump in together, but Labour.. I don't know mate. I still think they're better, but the tactics they are using to try to fight reform absolutely stink.
I'm maybe clutching a bit there. I hope Labour realise how bad they look & sort themselves out..🤞
Bugger all improvement on the items below
Strangers speech and associated fascists crap on immigration
Austerity worsening
Appeasing water companies
Crawling to Trump
No improvement on EU just slogans
etc, etc, etc
They started out so well canning the Rwanda scheme but the latest on bens cuts for disabled, their abandonment of Trans and now immigration is disgraceful. I tactically voted to #GTTO.
McSweeney has to go.
With Reform gaining ground & with FPTP we will need to be very careful. Green if we had PR.
that would kind of be ideal. if people who consider themselves progressive voters finally abandon Labour (not a progressive party, never really was) they won't be going to Reform.
What happens to our democracy if the turnout is below 30%? Surely that's a credible scenario. A Government elected by, say, 19% of the vote could hardly claim to have a 'popular mandate'.
The question is whether this will lead to a surge for some combination of Lib Dems and Greens—or will it just lead to apathy and a collapse in turnout, which could easily lead to something disastrous. It won’t be much comfort that “Labour got what’s coming to them” if that means a Reform majority.
Starmer's "Island of Strangers" speech echoed the utterings of right wing MP Enoch Powell, who entered Parliament way back in 1950... Hurrah! We'll soon be able to return to the good old days our grandparents told us about...
...when people's othering, hatred and hostility didn't need the distraction of incomers but could focus on our very own traditional *British* rivalries between local family & neighbourhood cliques, whose young men would be able to thrash out their historical resentments on the nearest bombsite
The old system has been dying for a long time. It is the weakness of progressives, the failure to produce alternative elites, that is the hold up for change.
Look to Australia.
Both major parties are now just two “bigger”small ones. Guessing the next election will see even more independents running on real issues and gaining seats.
This has to be a good thing for the future of the nation.
Though we're going to have to work out how to make the Westminster system work when the house is full of independent members. Isn't that what the parliament was like back when it all started?
There are many issues that a truely progressive government would need to tackle. Firstly reintroduce rent controls & look further into land price pressures to enable our youth to buy or rent equitably. Second, end the 2 child benefit cap & work on more measurss to end child poverty. 3rd, 4th, 5th...
George, look no further than Morgan McSweeney - Starmer's policy 'strategist-in-chief'. Seemingly obsessed with not upsetting the Daily Mail or Murdoch as his No 1 priority. How else can you explain it?
I don't know this, but my expectation is that many of the 400 Labour MPs are privately becoming so disgruntled that they are quietly forming thoughts of jumping ship, or perhaps even forming a 'real' Labour breakaway party or such.
Some have been whipped into abandoning long held values, Shirley?
The Labour Party has one job: to make sure progressive policies don’t take hold. I don’t think they care about the people in this country & if they let Reform in. In fact, Reform are just another assurance that things will be business as usual for the richest & most powerful so they’re fine with it.
I feel extremely fortunate to be a committed member of the Green Party of England and Wales. I think the systemic issue is that politics has become a bit like reality Tv shows with the voters as Googlebox participants. It cannot possibly work
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Thinking ahead (JIT)🤔
My point?
I think(respectfully)you’re possibly being overly optimistic
- plenty of time between now & 2029 for things to become exponentially apocalyptically worse🤭 🌱🕊️
Didn't have that on my bingo card.
What's left? Greens & Lib Dems & they get no publicity.
An immigrant would never say that the current Labour is similar to the Lib Dems or Greens, because the Lib Dems & Greens are not demonising immigrants.
I'm maybe clutching a bit there. I hope Labour realise how bad they look & sort themselves out..🤞
Strangers speech and associated fascists crap on immigration
Austerity worsening
Appeasing water companies
Crawling to Trump
No improvement on EU just slogans
etc, etc, etc
McSweeney has to go.
With Reform gaining ground & with FPTP we will need to be very careful. Green if we had PR.
Bearing in mind the explosion of tactical voting in 2024, Labour needs to remember that people can vote them out as well as in.
If Labor doesn’t perform in the next three years, they will go that way too.
Independents and new groups coming through as Gen x and the zoomers vote dominates.
Both major parties are now just two “bigger”small ones. Guessing the next election will see even more independents running on real issues and gaining seats.
This has to be a good thing for the future of the nation.
#collapse
#theisrolling
#collapse
Some have been whipped into abandoning long held values, Shirley?