Seriously, everyone needs to stop giving men chances to redeem themselves. They almost never deserve it, and the tiny proportion of the time they do isn't worth the headache.
THIS. This right here is why I'm *so* over the "villain with a point" trope. It's also why I hate when fandoms ship heroes and villains. Screw sympathy for the devil, I'd rather feel sympathy for his victims.
P.S. The only time this trope still works for me is with Magneto.
I feel like this is an argument against Syril being a character and human subject. It's not wrong to tell white men that they are being suckered into being evil losers. He doesn't get a redemption like the Vader or Kylo. It's simply the realization he had been suckered.
Mon's driver appeared to be actually going to help her and got capped. "Fix your hearts or die," clearly has a time limit. Bix has nightmares of a soldier they killed and a many that tortured her. The series doesn't condemn their killings but shows the cost to her.
Fighting other human beings is and should be psychologically different than fighting to survive a disaster or something. We must defeat an enemy we know is human. Our enemy dehumanizes us and themselves, this is why they must not win.
IMO, one of the best things about anakin is that he just doesnt care about justifying himself. He barely talks to people after becoming darth vader in fact I'm pretty sure he kills more people than he talks to.
We keep trying to redeem him but he himself couldn't care less I think that's beautiful.
Of course this isn't to take away from your point. I agree, we keep sympathizing with these awful villains who happens to be white men while forsaking sympathy to women and bipoc characters that actually deserves it.
I just felt like talking about why I like vader, sorry if the timing is bad.
i love a good redemptive cycle in a story...but everyone deserves it, not just white men. and i think we also need to see that power and bigotry can and does corrupt fully beyond changing...both stories are important.
this is also something linkara talks about in a tweet, that one of the reasons he stayed with CA was because he was friends with them and hoped to get them to see the error in their ways but eventually realized he couldn't do that and left the site and should by the people who were hurt by them
like I once said not every bad character is going to be a zuko and catara where they end up having to unlearn the toxic belief systems that been imbedded into them some characters will just stay bad and refuse to self-actualize.
this is especially true with doug walker and channel awesome where there are still people who give them the benefit of a doubt where there all like maybe they'll improve, maybe they'll apologize for the harm they inflicted on their former content creators, but that hasn't been case.
I liked how the fascists in Andor *didn't* find redemption. they were ground up and spit out by the very systems they helped build. meero, partagaz, syril, all of them were destroyed by the Empire, and even if they realized it at the end, it was too late. none of them "turned good"
Call me short of nuance, but the moment Syril wrapped his hands around a woman's neck, I knew he was done as a character. No redemption. Into the dumpster.
Here - peoples reaction to the show, not the show itself. The show is rather clear at hinting that Syril would probably not have fully unpacked his shit.
he was on the verge of doing so and then spotted his old enemy that he broke apart his old life trying to track down, and died with that old enemy not even knowing who he was
Also his violence towards Dedra (who I don’t have much sympathy for) reveals a lot of the baseline misogyny he carries. Also the fact that he was indifferent towards and enabled the brutality toward the working class BIPOC on Ferrix but only came round when the empire targeted the upper class Ghor.
Dedra's and his relationship was deeply toxic, codependent and mutually abusive. I certainly empathized with him given his relationship with his mother. but not enough to excuse him being such a massive dupe
yes, exactly, even in the most clear moment of imperial oppression he still gets side tracked on a guy who he perceives to have wronged him instead of saving lives or even just running away. he wasn't gonna unpack his shit
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P.S. The only time this trope still works for me is with Magneto.
We keep trying to redeem him but he himself couldn't care less I think that's beautiful.
I just felt like talking about why I like vader, sorry if the timing is bad.
i see Londo on Bab 5 as a good redemptive cycle
https://youtu.be/TEaOxGJm87A