🧵 Let me clarify: having an American pope is toxic, not because he's left or right, but because in our divisive American climate: that’s the only question people are asking.
The Vatican: a distinctly Italian territory, with a rich 2,000 year history has no idea how Americanism can swallow it whole.
The Vatican: a distinctly Italian territory, with a rich 2,000 year history has no idea how Americanism can swallow it whole.
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While I personally do not care about the papacy, your idea that Americanism will make the papacy worse - and vice versa - ring true, unfortunately.
Just like the Gulf of Mexico & Greenland joy rides.
From, and American Catholic
American culture, in its current state, is toxic.
Global issues become toxic issues in America.
Refreshing to see an outside perspective.
Thanks for bringing it up.
NO subject has neutrality.
Everything is converted into a polarizing partisan paradigm. It's a win for one side & a lose for the other or vice versa.
So all subjects become useful only if they are spun as victories against our enemy.
I mean there's nothing wrong with it except that it entirely focuses on the value of the thing as merely being "we owned JD Vance."
And giving yourself a pat on the back for that thing.
Rather than looking at the Pope via some objective critique.
Though it's missing LGBTQIA.
He was a deeply conservative ruler, who enforced many controversial laws.
Forbidding Jews to own property.
Raising taxes.
Left the Church in a financial mess.
Then they tout Trump becoming pope.
Then those insane Cardinals vote for an American pope:
Ensuring two previously separate timelines become married forever in the media's eyes.
During our most toxic, regressive moment in 250 yrs, we don't need Papal expansion. 😵💫
By having an American pope, these toxic, absurd narratives will blend. The disinformation will increase. The religious division will become daily news.
It’s also possible they don’t understand how self-centered Americanism is.
In fact, it's precisely the immediate framing into divisive political camps that makes this predictably toxic.
World Cup: come for a minute, but don't become illegal scum.
Gaza: Kill everybody so I can build a hotel.
Every world conversation ceases to be about the thing it is & gets swallowed into insane asylum talk.
Cause anything they can write about in an overblown, sensationalized narrative - to create petty division in order to make a quick buck - is the gold standard.
These people are so weird and sadly bullies in charge.
Humans are the dumbest.
In fact, it's precisely the immediate framing into divisive political camps that makes this immediately toxic.
Americanism is a toxic brand. We don't need expansion into world politics. We need healing & troubleshooting.
Lots of conspiracies. Lots of historians saying this is myth.
And it says that Pope Francis called himself a "close friend of Opus Dei."
Do you have any links on its current iteration? It has a long history.
This isn’t about history as much as it’s a trip to YouTube to directly hear from these weirdos and their plans on podcasts.
I’m a non-practicing Catholic and I can tell you my Republican friends are pissed off about a woke pope and she’s right. We don’t need to mix the two at this dangerous time in our history.
I feel like a kid sucked into Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory - only instead of things made of chocolate - it's headlines made of absurdities.
And I just want to go back to reality.
I think people are just happy about the pope because it’s a diversion from Trump
I will share with you my brother-in-law texted me.
He’s a strong Republican cop. He thinks Trump had something to do with American being elected pope! I can see the conspiracy theories
From all sides!
The fact that the pope died after advocating for immigrants with Vance MIGHT have suggested a path forward for them.
They may view this is a sign from God on their intended advocacy.
Or even a fuck you to Bukele for dehumanizing the immigrants too. El Salvador is also quite Catholic.
This could be a good thing. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/08/what-will-the-new-pope-be-like-hes-chosen-to-be-called-leo-thats-no-accident