A Manhattan jury began deliberating Tuesday in the manslaughter trial of Daniel Penny, the former Marine charged in the chokehold death of a homeless man on a New York City subway last year.
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not much middle ground in the comments - anyone else in think mental health decline in an ever increasing homeless population is a problem that lead to this incedent + Penny also went too far in his vigilantism? (like yall never adverted your eyes from a mad subway ranter & hoped for the best)
I agree that there is a middle ground, but this feels like prosecutorial overreach from Bragg, who is not much known for any kind of middle ground so far in this case (I supported his prosecutions of Trump)
well, he did kill a guy. can't exactly have civvies (w military training) killing homeless peace disturbers running around unchecked. Penny should probably get involuntary manslaughter (gross negligence) tbh.
Just another example of "normal" people being more dangerous than "crazy" folk. Stop judging using the ableism you learned from popular culture. Most mentally ill people are only harmful to ourselves.
'Most' people with MH diagnoses are not out threatening people. This truly has nothing to do with 'ableism'. My sister was a tender, sweet person, but off meds would pull a knife on you. Many people with MH diagnoses do get violent. The jury will evaluate the tapes & hear from the people involved.
Rhetoric like that I'd why 35-40% of the people murdered by police are disabled. We're not violent as a whole. In most cases, you guys are mistaking a manic episode or a burnout as "violence" when really it's just yelling.
Um, my comment is not rhetorical. 50 years experience with a sibling who had schizophrenia. Gentle, fabulous person. Except truly dangerous when psychotic.
The murdered by police statistic is about 25% and reflects general police brutality and hideous training.
I have 50 years of my own experience. I'm sure it's very frightening watching an unmedicated meltdown, but you should imagine how scary it is having one. Yes. Some disabled people can pose a risk to others. For the mass majority, this is not true. No more so than nuerotypical levels.
I am sympathetic to him. The victim was hardly an innocent. However, if it is true that he held on to the chokehold long after the victim stopped resisting, then he is guilty of manslaughter.
Almost nothing has upset me more than this case because I can’t believe all the people who think this guy is a hero. He killed another human being needlessly. He was strong enough that he could have restrained him without holding his neck down until he stopped breathing.
This entire case should have been thrown out before it began. Penny is a HERO. He protected all the people on that subway car and his actions did not cause death.
Justification: He feared for his life. 2. Penny was not the only one holding him down. He had help. 3. Forensic autopsy showed not enough force to cause the death. My verdict.
NOT GUILTY.
Shame on Alvin Bragg for even pursuing this case. Such an example of massive prosecutorial overreach to placate a tiny minority of loud activists (Bragg's base)
This should not have even gone to trial. New York's court system is literally a joke. Let every criminal out, prevent the police from doing their job and when a civilian steps up, they get prosecuted.
Please keep in mind that veterans are always ready to defend the rest of you (As a vet). It's in our DNA. You want this in your society. You want people who will put their lives in danger for you. Don't crush this!
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The murdered by police statistic is about 25% and reflects general police brutality and hideous training.
NOT GUILTY.
j/k, I know why
There is zero proof race had anything to do with this.
Classy.