Nope. I'm a moderate and I believe the same thing. ICE is only a couple decades old, est. after 9/11 in reaction to it. ICE has not had proper regulatory controls which is why it goes rogue with impunity. I think Immigration is big enough for its own dept. (Congress confirmed head), but not this one
But targeting poor immigrants fleeing corrupt governments is not the way
We should be targeting the businesses that employ them … send a few millionaires to prison for hiring undocumented workers and watch how quickly illegal border crossings drop
Meet Tom Homan: a sentient slab of brisket with eyes, and acting ICE overlord. Proudly bags kids like groceries, now whimpers on Tucker that he was “just following orders.”
History heard that tune—in German.
Welcome to ICE- Empathy sold separately. Accountability not included.
It doesn't sound nearly radical enough. How about arrest, prosecute, and sentence all of ICE to very long prison sentences in small steel cages? RICO, conspiracy, kidnapping, human trafficking, child abuse, and so on. There, fixed it for you.
Let’s keep good records of these ICE Kash-TAPO people to be charged with crimes against humanity & democracy at the upcoming 21st century version of the 1945/1946 Nuremberg Tribunal Trials not permitting the excuse “we just followed orders “. Proof beyond reasonable doubt is not necessary …
Turns out all the stuff we progressives were open minded about in the 90s and the 2000s, we should have stuck to our guns. (I don't mean literally guns, we've been right about that too since the beginning.)
We Progressives have “stuck to our (proverbial) guns”.
The neocons in charge of the #VichyDems are the ones who got in bed with the GONP (Grand Ol’ Nazi Party) to create this fascist Hellscape.
#AbolishICE
The threat of being Indicted, unmasked, PerpWalked, and Incarcerated (Pending Trial) in GenPop sounds like their brand of Justice...
Let them suffer their own heinous Karma.
Then progressives need to get out from under the "Dem" umbrella because as long as they play in that sandbox, they are also covered in sand. They should create an effective strategy for raising their own funds and convincing Americans that they can run viable candidates on the local and state level.
Been saying this for a long while. This agency should have been time limited. Congress MuST do it! Now DHS is running amuck and terrorizing every person protected under the US Constitution!
It's too soft. EVERY ICE employee has to be put under investigation, and arrested pending trial if they're suspected of participating in these abductions. Same for the vigilantes that are probably not officially on the ICE payroll. Same for the police officers that joined in during the past few days
Armed people in civilian clothes with no ID, faces masked, no warrants, are snatching people into unmarked cars and disappearing them.
The Regime defies the Supreme Court while HS threatens Members of Congress and arrest a Mayor off the street.
Noem should be the first under oath in the dock: now
I was just thinking about how the semantics of 'abolish' ruined any chance of reform for the agency. And how the choice of the word 'defund' confused the intent of lowering escalation in crisis situations.
Is there anyone collecting information on who is ICE or working with ICE?
Some people know who they are, but they are absolutely terrified of serious retaliation.
Neighbors know.
Their families know.
People at their churches know.
We need a safe place to be able to report & identify them.
Heck, a Dem talking about both of these things 2028 probably would get a leg up considering the government has already spent like...160 billion more dollars this year than projected. We're less efficient than ever.
Also while forgetting that a lot of those centrists, real ones that is, are actually quite fine with things like higher taxes on the wealthy, more/cheaper healthcare, improving welfare, etc.
But that's not the kind of 'centrist' that the Dem establishment wants to chase, not really.
ICE is just the latest example of the systemic oppression of non-white American citizens in CLEAR violation of their FUNDAMENTAL constitutional rights.
There needs to be a #ClassActionLawsuit to abolish ICE. NOW!
No it doesn't. Not at all. I think it would work a lot better if they got rid if masks, visibly display their badges and showed valid warrants. This is Gestapo all over. I'd like to see proof of life on everyone grabbed off the streets. NOW.
IT is beyond me as to why anyone would want to be employed anywhere within the ICE structure ... is it as simple as angry, vile people just wanting to live their lives in a continual mean spirited, violent way ... what about their families ... ? Me thinks mental health interventions needed ... ASAP
Wajahat, I’m really worried about the hundreds of high school graduation ceremonies coming up this May and June in majority Hispanic areas all over California. Am I being an alarmist?
The issue here is that it never sounded radical to anyone who is a fan of equity and humanism.
The actual fans of ICE consider the cruelty and dehumanization a feature, not a flaw. And they are arguably the ones who elected the current administration.
They sound like the Nazi SS officers, “but I was doing my job and orders” but did you have to do it with such impunity and lack of humanity or any shred of decency and following the law?
At least get rid of the thugs and their leaders and Homan for sure. Then make sure any new agents and the ones not cut are trained on their constitutional duties and the requirements of the law, including Due Process and warrants.
It didn't the first go round. I watched them try to nab people from church sanctuaries then, this is twice as bad but predictable given the bigoted rhetoric of his campaign.
Nope. And if I'm being honest here, I owe the abolish ICE crowd an apology. Not only does it need to be abolished, the next Democrat in office needs to look into prosecuting ICE and other federal law enforcement officers/officials either civilly or criminally for deprivation of rights.
I think we should tear down all of DHS and start over. It hasn’t been around that long, and “homeland” is waaay too close to “fatherland.” And what was the problem with having the Secret Service as part of the Treasury Department?
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Not at all.
Take that giant chainsaw the odious musk was welding and cut them right outta the government.
Trump’s Gestapo.
We did just fine before it was created.
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Prosecute ICE
Fuck trump
You don't use abuse to punish abuse.
The whole point is that it's inhumane and that no human deserves that treatment.
You can't reserve abuse only for those you hate. That's exactly what the fascists are doing.
If you allow it at all, it will happen to whomever hate falls on next.
But targeting poor immigrants fleeing corrupt governments is not the way
We should be targeting the businesses that employ them … send a few millionaires to prison for hiring undocumented workers and watch how quickly illegal border crossings drop
JV middle school football,a crew cut, 2 weeks at DeVry do not a valid law enforcement agency make.
History heard that tune—in German.
Welcome to ICE- Empathy sold separately. Accountability not included.
ICE melts…
simple
Republicans are Trump accomplices. They are all in this together. Remember.
>>> This would all STOP if they objected. <<<
They have now become the enemy. Treat them accordingly!
The neocons in charge of the #VichyDems are the ones who got in bed with the GONP (Grand Ol’ Nazi Party) to create this fascist Hellscape.
#AbolishICE
Let them suffer their own heinous Karma.
Too bad the DNC was more interested in taking Corporate money than in electing the progressives calling for the abolition of ICE.
Agreed.
It wouldn't be abolished either, merely restructured and rebranded
ICE is an organization that should never have been created in the first place.
Hells Angels hiring..?
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Lets ask George W how he feels about his creation, eh?
@democrats.org are too corrupted under Chuckie to stand up for civil liberties. 🌹🫏 need to control the narrative vision & delegitimize them.
It should be made toxic for electeds to support Gestapo ICE.🗽🏴
these are crimes.
The Regime defies the Supreme Court while HS threatens Members of Congress and arrest a Mayor off the street.
Noem should be the first under oath in the dock: now
Those slogans lost votes.
Otherwise, it's "what law?" It doesn't apply to them.
Don't say we didn't warn you.
🌷💙☮️💙🌷Are we a fascist dystopian dictatorship yet? RIP USA 💔
Is there anyone collecting information on who is ICE or working with ICE?
Some people know who they are, but they are absolutely terrified of serious retaliation.
Neighbors know.
Their families know.
People at their churches know.
We need a safe place to be able to report & identify them.
Heck, a Dem talking about both of these things 2028 probably would get a leg up considering the government has already spent like...160 billion more dollars this year than projected. We're less efficient than ever.
But that's not the kind of 'centrist' that the Dem establishment wants to chase, not really.
There needs to be a #ClassActionLawsuit to abolish ICE. NOW!
Here’s over 400 years of PROOF… https://open.substack.com/pub/hempfarm/p/black-americans-vs-united-states?r=1dtjo&utm_medium=ios
ICE didn’t exist until 2003.
But given how deep the rot goes, and that ICE isn't even 25 years old, abolishment is probably the better choice here...
#AbolishICE
Democrats just fear standing up for human rights.
The actual fans of ICE consider the cruelty and dehumanization a feature, not a flaw. And they are arguably the ones who elected the current administration.
Harass ICE
Unmask ICE
Dox ICE
Dox ICE
Establish tribunals for ICE for crimes against humanity
This should be the moderate position
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2w-qGBVhNk