yup. short of reconstruction 2.0, what's preventing someone more radical than Vance/Trump from destroying the international alliance again? - ThreadSky

sharonk.bsky.social • 94 days ago

yup. short of reconstruction 2.0, what's preventing someone more radical than Vance/Trump from destroying the international alliance again?

Reposted from Johnny “Hot Commie Summer” Renton

That brings up knock on effects. If the Dems win in ‘28 on a platform that theyll ‘roll things back & smooth things over’ and fail to achieve that (which is possible bc thats how far gone trust in the US is) you get more reactionaries in 32 and the divisions keep growing. Its all properly broken now

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mrbuick.bsky.social•94 days ago

Absolutely nothing. The full decoupling will take decades, but it’s happening now regardless. Boat has sailed on the American Century

bingusrelative.bsky.social•94 days ago

croatsky.bsky.social•94 days ago

Chinese century is delulu.

China doesn't even have allies at their borders.

Their diplomacy is atrocious.

mrbuick.bsky.social•93 days ago

They're also in the midst of an enormous private debt bubble, drastically falling popularity with the under-25 demo, and a contracting industrial economy.

"There will be no world hegemon for at least a decade" was my bet after the election and I'm sticking to it

croatsky.bsky.social•93 days ago

Decades I'll say.

EU future is still uncertain, while America could bounce back it will take multiple election cycles for that to happen.

mrbuick.bsky.social•93 days ago

robbinsa.me•94 days ago

the great irony of biden's much-lauded (puke) foreign policy is that if anything cemented America's pariah status, it wasn't the voters.

It was the absolute refusal to do anything at all.

medianhater.bsky.social•94 days ago

Of the genuine opinion that anything "good" that came out of Biden FP was largely incidental.

robbinsa.me•94 days ago

oh yeah I'm very much being sarcastic

bluearrowsneo.bsky.social•94 days ago

His foreign policy towards LATAM and Europe were pretty good.

Everything after 2023 was terrible tho

economymedicine.bsky.social•94 days ago

Unclear how well this coalition does beyond Trump who is special in that people just project onto him all sorts of things in a way they do not other people in politics. The next gen is a bunch of DeSantis weirdos.

connorstedman.bsky.social•94 days ago

Yeah this is what's keeping me up at night currently. It seems like only a truly stone cold serious reconstructionist movement is going to stop repeated cycles of this insanity in the future.

johnnyrenton.bsky.social•94 days ago

That is correct.

toffelmire.bsky.social•94 days ago

Ya, especially on the foreign policy front it looks like the damage is, to some degree, irreparable. Many years of careful, stable, trustworthy behaviour might fix things, but who foresees any long period of internal political stability in the USA's future?

mkzadam.bsky.social•94 days ago

And it’ll be a particular nightmare if their foreign policy alignments become polarized as well. Imagine each party permanently explicitly aligning themselves in opposite ways. I think that’s not unlikely at this point

compthink.bsky.social•94 days ago

That's very unlikely, because the country won't function for 2 or 3 (or 1?) more election cycles like this.

jamestiv.bsky.social•94 days ago

Unironically I sort of wonder if it would be possible for the EU and Canada to pass legislation that says "if Republicans win the American presidency the tariffs start."

aworkerwhoposts.bsky.social•94 days ago

Legit one of the funniest possible outcomes is some section of the Blob reacting to trump torching their standing with the rest of the global ruling class by taking a hard left turn, in order to re-establish a moral case for American global hegomany. A sort of necon to trot pipeline.

gannongannongannon.bsky.social•94 days ago

I think what we’re hearing from the Canadians this month is on point, and it echoes less formal statements from the Europeans: we can no longer trust ourselves to mood of the American public.
It breaks my heart. But they’re not wrong.

boaconstrictor.bsky.social•93 days ago

We can no longer allow our economy and security to be dictated by the whims of a college football stadium's worth of low-information dingbats spread across 7 states

gannongannongannon.bsky.social•94 days ago

Jesus that’s the first time I’ve seen or thought of ‘32 in an election context and oof.

tobioboi.bsky.social•94 days ago

Even then, I don't believe I'd trust america for at least a decade or two, be it to live there or as a foreign power wanting a partner

limoniana.bsky.social•94 days ago

The next 20-50 years are going to suck. Accept that, and work to build a country for our collective grandchildren to thrive in.The United States of America no longer exists in any meaningful sense. If we are very lucky, and fight like hell, there might be a successor state that deserves the name

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