There is no moral consumption under capitalism, but that doesn’t make this a singular moral failing on your part. We need systemic change, and eating food is never going to be a moral failing imo. I think veganism is good. I just don’t think bludgeoning others for not being vegan is helpful at all. - ThreadSky

derealization00.bsky.social • 140 days ago

There is no moral consumption under capitalism, but that doesn’t make this a singular moral failing on your part. We need systemic change, and eating food is never going to be a moral failing imo. I think veganism is good. I just don’t think bludgeoning others for not being vegan is helpful at all.

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shittedonem.bsky.social•140 days ago

agree

mattyg7.bsky.social•140 days ago

That's not what that phrase means. No capitalistic consumption is moral, but that doesn't mean no one should ever make moral decisions about their food. If I cross a picket line because I care more about a burger than my fellow worker, I'm a rat.

derealization00.bsky.social•140 days ago

Crossing a picket line and not being vegan are not the same though

I’m sorry, I hate animal cruelty but I do not have class solidarity with cows and chickens. I eat what I can afford and I don’t really think more about it than that. Maybe I’ll have the privilege to consider it deeper later in life.

mattyg7.bsky.social•140 days ago

Unrelated to ethics: regular meat and dairy are more expensive than vegetarian food at least. You just can't live your life trying to replicate Western standards. Eat more Asian foods and shop at an Asian market if possible. Indian peasants have been eating vegetarian for millennia.

derealization00.bsky.social•140 days ago

Agreed. I’m working on my diet currently anyways. I’m just picky and did not have anyone in my life try and make me eat healthy until last year. I had a high metabolism, so my family just fed me whatever junk they grabbed, then I went to college and gained 30 pounds

mattyg7.bsky.social•140 days ago

Right. And I don't mean to deny that diet is an easy thing to change. It's incredibly complicated and wrapped up in health and culture. But I think it's an overstep to say that there's NO moral component to one's diet choices. Sometimes we make morally negative decisions due to circumstance.

derealization00.bsky.social•140 days ago

Fair point, I was overstepping when I said that. I just saw the OG guys comment and felt bad that he felt like he was morally failing over this. It’s stupid, but I worry about people’s mental health when they beat themselves up over something like that. Wanted to tell him he’s not evil for it.

mattyg7.bsky.social•140 days ago

You said "eating food is never a moral failing". Is "eating a scab-made burger for one's own pleasure" a moral failing or not? Your thoughts about veganism are not relevant to this point.

derealization00.bsky.social•140 days ago

You do not have to cross a picket line to eat a burger. This is a bad hypothetical. Sure, whatever. If the food is orphaned babies, then yes eating “food” is a moral failing, but we’re talking about veganism, not unions. You’re just on a different subject than what I’m talking about, G.

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