Can someone give me an example of what is "Good" grind/quest design in an MMO? Because all I see is: - If the grind is long (more than one day) people complain it takes too long - If the grind is short (less than one day) people complain there is nothing to do - ThreadSky

brachyzoid.bsky.social • 1 day ago

Can someone give me an example of what is "Good" grind/quest design in an MMO?

Because all I see is:
- If the grind is long (more than one day) people complain it takes too long
- If the grind is short (less than one day) people complain there is nothing to do

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victorehunter.bsky.social•1 day ago

My favourite grinds in XIV and XI usually involve making progress towards at least two goals at once. That can include extrinsic goals like “helping someone new” or “listening to a podcast.” but if I’m getting exp/mats/field notes/rays/title achievements/whatever at the same time, I’m happy.

senabryer.com•1 day ago

It's not about the length (lol) for me, but how mentally intensive it is. I can grind mobs in FFXI for hours on end because it's easy to do other things while I'm doing it. But grinding mobs in FFXIV, like in Field Operations, is taxing on the brain because you get zero rest.

brachyzoid.bsky.social•1 day ago

Doesn't help how rushed from point A to point B one is in OC

pinstriped.bsky.social•1 day ago

I have... LOTS of opinions on relic grinds, but most of it boils down to being able to feel like you're consistently making progress by doing things that you look back on fondly. The grind can be slow as long as you can see your progress and make fun memories doing so.

loonacross.bsky.social•1 day ago

Abyssea got a little of criticism back in the day, but I live the fact that there were multiple types of benefit you could get out of nearly any fight despite whichever motivation drove you or party members: the same NM could get you plot progress, EXP, gear, cruor, key items, upgrade items...

qeomash.bsky.social•1 day ago

Others might say it's bad, but the _original_ 75 era FFXI relic weapon grind. It took most people a literal year to complete even if they were dedicated. Byproduct of grinding 10k+ currency was that entire alliances of other players got endgame gear. The bad is only 1~3 can build a weapon per team

brachyzoid.bsky.social•1 day ago

That feels like an achievement on its own.

I had so much fun collecting my Artifact Armor in FFXI

qeomash.bsky.social•1 day ago

Clearing dynamis (basically XIV savage raids!) with a group and getting all your Relic gear was also an achievement on its own, yeah! Even today the first set you get is pretty special

romanomomano.bsky.social•1 day ago

i think the big problem is that it's impossible to please everyone with a grind for exactly the reasons you mentioned.
I personally think that the current state of the ARR or HW relics are the perfect amount of grind, but i know a lot of people find them insufferably boring

ponafell.etheirys.social•1 day ago

For me, the perfect level of grind is the eureka relics. The ARR and HW relics are far too slow for me, I only ended up doing 1 of each.

brachyzoid.bsky.social•1 day ago

I find myself loving all 3 for their unique reasons.
ARR and HW are a long forging quest with different activities all over the world while Stormblood are a constant grind of materials gathering in a unique zone.

ponafell.etheirys.social•1 day ago

Personally I think i just love exploration zones. I was disappointed when I saw that phantom relics have an alternate method like bozja, but besides that I love the new content

romanomomano.bsky.social•1 day ago

yeah, i like when theres a variety of activities to do that can be done to further a single goal, like the umbral sands or singing clusters for the anima
i liked the atma farming for the start of the current relic, but also kinda wish that we'd need like one of each for each weapon after the first

nyameipol.bsky.social•23 hours ago

I like ultimate weapon grinds in FFXI. They feel rewarding when you've whittled away at them over time, and it's nice when you achieve milestones towards something. Ergon weapons are in stages until you get THE weapon, and that feels like a rewarding grind.

spacezombievi.bsky.social•1 day ago

People just don't wanna play the game but they also don't wanna feel like they're being ''left out''. The grind we have rn in OC is fine for a 1st step, people just need to either accept workin towards it slowly or skip the content they don't like and take break till there is content they like.

spacezombievi.bsky.social•1 day ago

Thats what yoshida mean when he says the game is made so you can take breaks it means that if the current content is not to your liking you can just take a break and you won't lose anything.

catgirltrina.bsky.social•1 day ago

In general I greatly prefer grinds which are kill X thing and get Y progress every time you kill it, killing 100+ mobs in the open world is my jam. The grinds I hate the most are "do this 40 minute thing 6 times" (looking at you Delubrum Reginae step of SHB relics.)

catgirltrina.bsky.social•1 day ago

In regards to the OC relics, I think its a fine step since it doesn't have to be repeated, BUT it was really dumb that I had to leave the new content to do fates in DT zones because I kept only getting atma drops from CEs I already had the atmas for.

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