There is no world that the board will ever pay the $ necessary to buy either of those managers out. @windy really surprised at your expectations. I expect a more rationale/nuanced approach from you, which I think you’ve abandoned in these past few months. Think I’m done with the pod
Good point about Nathan, but I think the expectation that spurs will sack Ange and immediately hire McKenna or Iraola is way off the mark. I honestly don’t disagree with you about some of the injury mgmt issues w Ange (vdv + Romero @ Chelsea was an awful decision)…
But at this pt, the realistic options are: stay with Ange, hire a caretaker mgr, or go with Mason. I’d rather stick w Ange. In all honesty, I have trimmed my expectations. I don’t think the board capable of fielding a proper squad playing the way we want and performing well in 4 competitions.
Long term, I think unless the board are willing to fund a proper squad, they should look to a manager such as Iraola, able to play out of possession for a majority of the game, yet still adopting a high press. Sad to realize this where we are at.
Ha, Iraola is in his second season, only playing 1 game a week, and has 10 players out. After the Forest win, when asked, he emphatically said he will NOT be changing his approach. He'd have the same problems as Ange if he came to Tottenham. Why would he come to us? It'd be lunacy.
I'd have thought the board would be more likely to tack towards a more pragmatic manager like Frank, Potter, Nuno or even Southgate. Someone able to make-do with suboptimal players and ok-ish youth. Can't see them going for another coach requiring high-energy play.
Those managers all feel quite different in their approaches. Wasn't Potter known for possession based attacking football? Nuno is definitely pragmatic. I don't know what Southgate is (nor do I want to). Frank feels most likely and he seems more adaptable? Not what I'd want but not defensive.
The word 'pragmatic' gets misused and interpreted as 'defensive'. I'm using it in the 'making-do with the resources you have' sense. Given his flexible tactics, data-led approach, youth-development credentials, and working on a tight budget, I think Frank would be a good fit. But would he want us?
We do have to give up on the whole 'front-foot, expansive, attacking football' fantasy though. It's clearly not our DNA. Unless the board has a radical change of heart and more assertively buys the players to suit the system, of course. But if they're going to do that, might as well stick with Ange.
OK, yeah, I think I've become so used to seeing pragmatism used in the pejorative sense here that I'm triggered by it. I think in the terms you describe, Frank would be a good fit.
It's not what I'm after, and I do think there has to be a blend of attacking football that doesn't compromise the
Honestly… we need 4-5 players to rotate with. 1-2 CBs, a LB, a no. 6/Forward and a more ”human” injury season.
Vicario/Kinský
Porro/Spence
Romero/Vuskovic
van de Ven/?
Udogie/?
New no. 6/Biss or Bents
Gray/Olusesi/Sarr
Kulusvski/Bergvall/Maddison
/Johnson & Yang
Solanke/
Son/Moore/Odobery
I don't think he'd come either, but it's not completely out of the question. We're still a big club with much more money than Bournemouth. We'd pay him higher wages and he'd no doubt believe he could succeed.
Similar reasons to Amorim going to United when they are as big of a mess as we are.
He seems like a thoughtful, humble guy. A 'reluctant manager' as a recent profile on him put it. It would be crazy for him to give up a project he's doing so well with for a broken club that has chewed up and spat out some of the most successful, driven, egocentric managers of the modern era.
I don’t buy this. The ceiling with Bournemouth is what, one European season next out? Versus a shot at three cups this season and potentially who knows what next?
Of course the “who knows what” works both ways but the wages make up for that for many.
He just doesn't seem to have the personality type to want to make such a move. Managers like Potter have been tempted and it almost destroyed them. Perhaps he has the typical ego of a manager that might make it irresistible, but he just doesn't seem like the type.
I'm also not convinced his demands (he's a very demanding manager) and style of play would work at Tottenham any more than Ange's has when faced with European competition.
The situation with Amorim at United is a bit different. They do spend quite heavily on the players, unlike us. Despite everything, they do still have the second-highest wage bill. That's something the manager with ambition can work with.
The thing is if the managers are judged on our ambitions then they are not backed. This month has been their tenure boiled down to four weeks. In the main we are not even that surprised by their lack of action.
I think it’s just a bit ignorant to suggest this. Iraola doesn’t leave a high flying Bournemouth team for 1. A team in our position in the table 2. The squad in its current state. Currently changing manager, imo, makes no real difference. Agree though that no signing is utter negligence.
Because both can reasonably believe that they'll have better opportunities in a few months, while also reasonably believing that the Spurs job will still be available to them then - assuming that Ange is sacked either now or after the season
Bournemouth having their best season and Ipswich (he got promoted) fighting tooth and nail.. do you think anyone would want to be known as the manager who got spurs relegated
I have to say, I think that's highly questionable from you to think they would.
McKenna maybe as he's at a club that will likely go down but I'd say he's not done enough to show his credentials.
No way Iraola leaves what he's doing mid season to come to us in the state we're in.
If someone like Iraola agrees to come but at the end of the season what do we do until then? Personally I wait rather than hire a Nuno type but I don't know.
Why would either leave their club now in this moment? Ange has plenty of blame for this, but Ryan mason for 4 months and then hope for McKenna to leave is a lot to wish upon
If Iraola comes to us now I’d seriously question his judgement. Surely the only reason he’d come now is if we offered to make his great-grandchildren millionaires.
Iraola would be mad to leave when Bournemouth are playing as well as they are. Reputationally a huge risk for McKenna to come
when we’re such a mess. Nobody’s gonna blame him long-term for having an Ipswich relegation on his CV, but will reflect bad on him if he can’t right this Spurs ship imo.
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We have a 0.08% chance of relegation according to opta so essentially we don’t need to be kneejerk
Why would you give up on the podcast because you disagree with me?! You’re singing from the same hymn sheet as Nathan!
It's not what I'm after, and I do think there has to be a blend of attacking football that doesn't compromise the
Vicario/Kinský
Porro/Spence
Romero/Vuskovic
van de Ven/?
Udogie/?
New no. 6/Biss or Bents
Gray/Olusesi/Sarr
Kulusvski/Bergvall/Maddison
/Johnson & Yang
Solanke/
Son/Moore/Odobery
Similar reasons to Amorim going to United when they are as big of a mess as we are.
Of course the “who knows what” works both ways but the wages make up for that for many.
Not what I want but it’s far from unrealistic
It would be Mason most likely
McKenna maybe as he's at a club that will likely go down but I'd say he's not done enough to show his credentials.
No way Iraola leaves what he's doing mid season to come to us in the state we're in.
when we’re such a mess. Nobody’s gonna blame him long-term for having an Ipswich relegation on his CV, but will reflect bad on him if he can’t right this Spurs ship imo.