I agree with the local particulate issue, that's a real problem for those who live in built up areas, I live in a rural area, so not a problem for me. It's only the CO2 argument that I dispute - ThreadSky

thunderbird787b.bsky.social • 11 days ago

I agree with the local particulate issue, that's a real problem for those who live in built up areas, I live in a rural area, so not a problem for me.
It's only the CO2 argument that I dispute

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bettertimes.bsky.social•9 days ago

Oh how lucky for you! I also live in a rural area and wood smoke is a big problem there. Everyone near me thinks they have a right to scavenge wood and burn it no matter what effect it has on their own health or their neighbours. So selfish!

thunderbird787b.bsky.social•9 days ago

Yeah, I scavenge wood to burn, that means I burn less mains gas, I don't do it often, but when I do I burn less fossil gas. In my view a net benefit, but hey!

bettertimes.bsky.social•8 days ago

Not a net benefit to your neighbours! Scavenged wood will produce more harmful to health toxins. You and your family will be breathing these in as well.

thunderbird787b.bsky.social•8 days ago

I don't dispute there are some pm issues with wood burning, but I consider them extremely minor when compared to climate change, which is why I dispute the CO2 claim.

bettertimes.bsky.social•8 days ago

Do you indeed! It isn’t so minor for people breathing in the toxins though including you! Wood smoke has been scientifically proven to have a causal effect on many diseases including heart disease; cancer and lung disease. Are those diseases minor? Maybe if it isn’t you! How selfish!

thunderbird787b.bsky.social•8 days ago

When compared to climate change, yep, minor

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•7 days ago

This issue is not “just” about climate change though is it? Wood smoke primarily affects pubic health, which you are writing off as irrelevant. An average “Ecodesign” stove emits over 2kg of PM2.5 per year compared to 32.5g for an average car exhaust. Extremely high levels of carcinogens too.

thunderbird787b.bsky.social•7 days ago

Remember, I hadn't disputed there's a pm issue!
For me it's about priorities, climate change, and CO2 specifically is my priority, it's always been the CO2 claim I have an issue with.
Still haven't decided which side I believe!

mikehinford.bsky.social•11 days ago

As I said in my first reply in this thread.
Wood burning emits more CO2 than gas or oil per unit of heat.
That's scientific facts.

Burn wood to save money if it's free and wasn't cut down.

Homes with wood burners are more polluted, so it will be harmful to your health. You sound ok with that?

thunderbird787b.bsky.social•11 days ago

CO2 per unit heat misses the point completely, reintroducing the CO2 locked in fossil fuels is the problem, you then have to actively remove that again to get back to where we started.
Yeah, I get a little particulate in my home, but it's nothing compared to walking down a street in London

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•11 days ago

That's nonsense, where's your evidence? Roadside PM2.5 limit is 25µg/m³ in London yet we regularly get >>100µg/m³ in streets in low traffic areas from wood burning. Rarely measured over 15µg/m³ in central London (agrees with official monitors) Yearly PM2.5 for avg"Ecodesign" is >60X avg car exhausts

mikehinford.bsky.social•11 days ago

We also have to actively remove the CO2 from wood burning to get back to where we started. Yes we can plant trees, but do they absorb it as fast as its emitted when burnt? No.
So when it's in the air, it will be causing warming.

When we have other options, WHICH YOU HAVE, we should be using them.

thunderbird787b.bsky.social•11 days ago

Again, individual proportionally,
I'll replace my gas boiler and get a heat pump, that'll be used to heat my home 95% of the time, massive CO2 reduction...dependent on how the power is generated.
Wood burner, local waste wood, 5%of our heat, cumulative CO2, f**k all, this really isn't a problem

bettertimes.bsky.social•9 days ago

Why do you need a wood burner anyway? The point about wood burners is that as well as CO2 they emit many different toxic substances that are dangerous to health. Why should I have to breathe in heavy concentrations of toxic smoke from my neighbour’s wood burning stoves?

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•11 days ago

Its a huge problem for PM, UFPs and many toxic & carcinogenic invisible toxic fumes. Air pollution harms the environment. Knock on carbon footprint implications for neighbours are huge. Our neighbours "Ecodesign" stove greatly increased our carbon footprint & had devastating health impacts.

thunderbird787b.bsky.social•10 days ago

I'm still not buying the carbon footprint element, but I get the pm issue, I just don't see it as a major problem when compared to the burning of fossil fuels.
I know where my priorities lie, myself and my next door neighbour both burn wood occasionally, it's not our primary heat source

mikehinford.bsky.social•11 days ago

If everyone did the same it would be a problem.

Yes you are reducing your CO2 emissions by changing your gas boiler to a heat pump.
But you could reduce it even more by using a realistic fake fire with the electricity from your solar panels.

Just say you like burning wood. That's OK.

bettertimes.bsky.social•9 days ago

Of course he likes burning stuff!!

thunderbird787b.bsky.social•11 days ago

There's not enough wood for everyone to do the same, obviously, that's not the point! And no, when I get a heat pump, and I still burn a little wood, that will still displace electricity generated by gas, so a net benefit, frankly not convinced by your arguments, but I will investigate deeper.

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