I see you can't prove it. Asking for sources is not the dumbest possible question....in fact, NOT asking questions and blindly following a MEME is possibly the DUMBEST possible thing you can do....you MAGA?
Herd immunity was originally a term used to describe the effect produced when a certain percentage of the population was vaccinated which protected those unable or unwilling to be vaccinated. That threshold for measles is 95%.
With so many people becoming antivaxxers, children will begin dying from entirely preventable diseases. There is no excuse for this. It's unforgiveable.
We didn't get the chicken pox vaccines as kids in the 80s I got it from my cousin at a "chicken party " 🥺 I was ok with it tho I hated the itching I still was playing etc my sister was always sickly to begin with was so sick from it 💀 we both survived but I also don't wish it on anyone.
Very true I wish they had the chicken pox vaccines as a kid my kids got it ..and yea I probably should get the shingles vaccine since I'm over 50 I don't even know if my insurance pays for
I had other health issues the last couple of years I don't see a problem getting it I just haven't yet..
Prognostication:
RFK gets out in charge of US national health.
A massive measles outbreak forces the entire world to quarantine the US.
The US collapses.
Disney buys it all turns the US into a theme park.
Some lessons have to be relearned with ensuing generations. I'm old enough to have friends who had to suffer through polio even though the vaccine was available because their parents were trapped in a mental maze of disinformation.
& not widely available at first. Later, development of oral vaccine, was administered at schools. My mother got it when I was toddler. Lifelong problems with throat muscles. I asked why she hadn’t been vaccinated. She contracted it before oral vaccine available. One of her classmates in iron lung
Sorry not eradicated but I agree with the drift- problem is the manufacturer of drugs and vaccines is a profit making company that we should all be wary of because health care and profit aren’t a healthy mix
Visited with an aunt yesterday who has been in wheelchair now for 15 years. She's 72 and had polio before the vaccine was available. She had so many surgeries in her life until they told her we've done all we can do. She says she had a good life and is thankful for all the years she walked.
Every fucking person in the white house and congress had those vaccines. All of them. While telling their base not to get them. They even got them first when they were available while the general public was dying. Innit great?
If you're fighting the Covid wars (again?), you could also point out that the NIH and CDC had to change the definition of "vaccine" to accommodate the fact that the Covid "vax" was not a vaccine.
My brother survived polio. He was eight. 1950.He went swimming in a lake and complained of neck pain the next morning. Mom suspected polio immediately. Everybody knew you got it in hot weather after swimming. Public pools were closed all over the country.
I dunno, I think maybe redeveloping a smallpox vaccine and making it optional might be a good idea, because frankly I trust the Trump white house as far as Trump can go without lying in a single press conference
RFK Jr. the new anti-vax health minister, doesn't have any qualifications in anything.
However, he still managed to persuade hundreds of thousands of Trumpers not to get the Covid Vaccine resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead Trumpers.
Was that a good or a bad thing?
One of my best childhood friends had polio I was born in the fifties. She walked with braces and was sick a lot. She was not vaccinated I remember hearing that from older adults.
Salk believed in equity and unpopular sentiment with MAGA. Also Salk did not profit from sharing the formulation or production processes.
In a 1955 interview, when asked who owned the patent for IPV, he replied: “Well, the people, I would say. There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?”
Salk sounds like he was tuned into the same frequencies as Banting and Best, who also wanted to share insulin with the world for free to save lives. Pretty sure all three are PO'd in the afterlife over capitalists going against their wishes to gouge obscene profits from their gifts.
WOW, what an awakening statement that should be shouted out in congress the kennedy hearings. He should ask how he would make sure polio will not come back, ask if he would like to see children in iron lungs again. I hope he does not get appointed , go drink some bleach and eat some road kill
Humanity survived for hundreds of thousands of years without vaccine. Countless individuals did not.
People can live without manufactured housing, stable food supply, & medical treatment of any kind just wandering around naked with a few getting really lucky.
You talk as if there are no adverse affects to vaccination. Vaccinations have caused death. You’re asking the individual to gamble with death from a disease or death from a vaccination.
I am so terribly sorry. To the day she died, well into her 80s, my grandmother was devastated about the death of her younger toddler brother (a gate leading to a pond was left open and he drowned)
It happened during lilac season and for the rest of her life, she couldn't abide lilacs.
Smallpox was a vile disease eradicated by vaccination, Thomas Jefferson was a big fan so I guess if you respect the wisdom of the Founding Fathers it’s the patriotic choice! 😊
I remember researching the mythical "Herd Immunity". Herd Immunity only works if you live on a deserted island where no one every leaves or enters the island. 😱
Something about the term "herd immunity" pisses me off. Ffs we are human, we have technology, why the fk should herd immunity apply to us when we can eradicate diseases and not let anyone die off.
Well it's vaccines and herd immunity, together. Vaccines within a community build up a firewall and limit it's ability to spread. Getting to herd immunity with no vaccines means way more sick people, and possibly dead people, before you even come close enough people possessing anti-bodies.
They're ready for their epic come back! Does anybody know if Iron Lungs are even in service anymore? I mean I know the orange turdwaffle won’t organize them and have them ready, but someone should start looking into them 🤷
Smallpox has been eradicated in the general populace (because of vaccination) so it’s only securely stored in government laboratories. Mind you I’d be happy to see him have exposure, just to prove vaccination doesn’t work!
Sadly it'll be innocent children who suffer. Odds are their criminally idiotic parents were themselves vaccinated as younguns while cruelly denying that protection to their own children and the wider community. Get your childhood vaxx boosters. It's gonna be ugly.
Polio is a hideous disease. In the old days, people used to dread summertime because that’s when it would strike children most frequently. Anybody stupid enough to allow polio to return needs to be dealt with harshly.
Acquiring "herd immunity" via 'let it run its course' can kill up to 20% of the herd....it's STUPID. 🤬 Deaths will include children, parents, & grandparents. Are people STUPID enough to sacrifice ANY of THEIR'S for HERD IMMUNITY❓️🤬 STUPID as TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS.....morons.
Work on the Polio vaccine started in 1908. The first effective vaccine that actually worked was in 1952. Took just a hair longer than the Covid 19 vaccine. Just barely longer
I visited the VA yesterday and they stabbed me with so many needles I thought I should have someone of your expertise on my go to list. The Army gave me a home for a little over twenty years. 🫡🪖
Thanks for the compliment. In addition to the medical background, I’ve become quite an accidental/unwilling expert on the VA—we spend so much time there. I thought they’d hate me ‘cause I ask too many questions & use too many medical terms. But we have a relationship of common respect. Pretty cool.
RFK. RFK needs to hear this. Or I guess I should say, the worm that is piloting RFK ratatouille-style needs to hear this. The way that festering old fuck talks sounds like the worm his feeding him lines word for word.
I remember not too long ago that today's magats thought anti-vaxxers were assholes and nuts too, but now they think it's great because RFK looks good with his shirt off
A lot of babies will be born with rubella, caused by measles, which can cause miscarriages and severe, debilitating birth defects in babies. But the anti vaxers and the pro-birthers won't give a shit.
And the pro-birthers will NOT want to pay for the special education those children will desperately need. And they hate the idea of single payer health care, never mind the FACT that Trump wants to eliminate the Affordable Care Act, and has no actual plans to replace it.
Note. Smallpox eradication was finally thanks to a Ukrainian. Viktor Zhdanov. He came up with the idea to vaccinate the entire planet. He was told it would be too difficult and too expensive, but then it was done anyway. Now, no one needs a smallpox vaccine.
I read a biography on Abigail Adams. It was during the time her husband and others were voting on the Declaration. A doctor was come to where she lived to give to small pox inoculations. She had all her family and people in the area come over to get the inoculation.
RFK, Jr. said polio was manufactured by Salk and Sabin so they could sell their vaccines. What fresh idiocy will he dream up next? Polio was found in King Tut. Smallpox has been around forever. This man cannot run our health care when he is that stupid.
In "Guns, Germs, & Steel", author noted smallpox came to the Western hemisphere w the Spanish 1520 via an infected African slave. Jenner finally got the vaccine right in 1796. It has been around for 10,000 years. It is now eradicated, and no one gets inoculated for it anymore. Victory for vaccines!
The vaccines were different. Salk was a live virus and had to be attenuated in the lab. A Berkeley CA lab screwed up a batch and sickened, paralyzed and even killed some west coast kids. When the dead virus Sabin came out a few years later, it became preferred. I stood in long lines for both.
I remember that. The point of this was RFK, Jr. insisting Salk and Sabin both conspired to CAUSE polio in order to sell their vaccines. If I remember correctly, Salk did not patent it precisely to make it freely available. He made little to no money from it. RFK is an idiot.
I bet his next claim is all the photoessays in Life magazine of polio victims in iron lungs were "crisis actors" or similar bullshit because we didn't have fake news or alternative facts before we had a fake president & his kakistocracy.
The fact that they preach anti-vax while using their position and money to get every new vaccine before it hits the open market is a solid demonstration that they're NOT idiots. They don't believe any of the shit that comes out of their mouths, they say it because it gets the real idiots' support.
There already was that case in Oregon where an unvaccinated kid on his family's farm got tetanus and *even after that*, the negligent nimwits opted not to vaccinate him for future protection 🤦♂️kid spent like 2 months in the ICU at a cost of 811 thousand dollars.
I know that not many Americans travel outside of USA, but without vaccinations they won't be able to visit other countries at all!
And you can bet that bigPharma will charge a fortune for those vaccinations which will permit Americans to travel.
Example:
Vaccines against diseases such as whooping cough ('40s), polio ('50s), and measles ('60s) became a crucial pillar of the public health landscape, the concept of herd immunity came to indicate a targeted percentage of immunity induced within a population.
Vaccines created herd immunity!
I have an aunt and uncle that died from whooping cough in one night 🥺 in the 40s I guess them being on a farm in the middle of Wisconsin they didn't get the shots yet 🥺 how they got whooping cough is a messed up story 💀
The danger of these diseases is real. Science understands how they are passed on and can be stopped. If anti-vaxers are still alive, it's because of vaccines and the science behind them.
I used to teach about epidemics, vaccines, etc. but they have been removed from the state standards for the last two versions. Thanks to NCLB. I think the health teachers may touch on them a bit.
Ignorance is turning out to be the worst global pandemic ever to visit mankind. Stupidity is harmful to health, humanity and democracy…and we better find a way to combat it before the poorly educated kill us all!
I’m only scare for our children. 1920 Spagnola. 2020 Covid. And look in Europe we have a clear shift towards nationalism. We are so ignorant that we are not able to learn from our past
Exactly 👍 Even animals learn from their mistakes, apparently just not the two legged ones. We have an upward battle ahead of us, a battle against stupidity!
There is nothing wrong with wanting big Pharma to fully test and be transparent about that testing of vaccines and medications. There is nothing wrong with wanting harmful ingredients out of medications. There is nothing wrong with clearing Federal agencies of employees on big pharma’s payroll.
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Paul Alexander, last iron lung user / polio survivor, died this year. He spent 70 years on his back.
"Source please?"
The Devil does not need an advocate.
https://www.cdc.gov/ncird/whats-new/measles-outbreak-risk-in-us.html
hear are not listemin
For the record I'm ultra pro vaccine.
chickenpox
I had other health issues the last couple of years I don't see a problem getting it I just haven't yet..
I was in the hospital last December for appendix. It went septic ..long story
RFK gets out in charge of US national health.
A massive measles outbreak forces the entire world to quarantine the US.
The US collapses.
Disney buys it all turns the US into a theme park.
However, he still managed to persuade hundreds of thousands of Trumpers not to get the Covid Vaccine resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead Trumpers.
Was that a good or a bad thing?
In a 1955 interview, when asked who owned the patent for IPV, he replied: “Well, the people, I would say. There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?”
Can you without vaccines? YES
Terrain Theory Vs Germ Theory
Since the discovery of exosomes in 1987 we now know what those spiky littles things with RNA inside are
They're not contagious pathogens but intercellular messages
Humanity survived for hundreds of thousands of years without vaccine. Countless individuals did not.
People can live without manufactured housing, stable food supply, & medical treatment of any kind just wandering around naked with a few getting really lucky.
I think it's dumb to inject heavy metals and pesticides into your body
Great thing about living in a free country is it's all voluntary
Informed consent, I'm informed and do not consent to Pharmakeia
Being this wildly wrong about the basic facts of vaccination says a great deal about the character of so many selfish Anti-vaxxer freaks.
Wow
Koch's Postulates - Never satisfied
If the unvaccinated are causing harm, why don't you sue for damages and prove the theory of infectious pathogens.
Oh, it does work like that ....
You are not qualified to have medical opinions, what you have are moronic guesses from a position of ignorance.
And anti-vaxxers should not merely be sued. They should be investigated by Child Protective Services.
There are WILDLY rare exceptions, and they are sad. So are people who get hurt by seat belts. That doesn't mean we should take them out of cars.
Anti-vaxxers are just conspiracy freaks.
My kids had all of the scheduled shots. I spread them out over several visits rather than all at once.
Covid is a different matter. Especially with the boosters, the drug company profits, the waivers, mandates, etc.
But according to WHO, while smallpox was eradicated in 1980 (https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-smallpox-eradication-programme---sep-(1966-1980)), only Polio types 2 and 3 have been eradicated.
As at 2022, Polio virus type 1 remains in two countries: Pakistan and Afghanistan. https://www.who.int/health-topics/poliomyelitis#tab=tab_1
It happened during lilac season and for the rest of her life, she couldn't abide lilacs.
Fuck mandatory vaccines, lockdowns, masking and anyone who pushes them
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hope this is respectful correct me if not.
https://bsky.app/profile/melodyjane.art/post/3lcxzoh73tk2b
holding those who ransom science education and protections accountable?
or scolding some poor schmuck who succumbed to the state driven propaganda?
Shame on you, your account is derisive, and you are an embarrassment to any "movement"
https://youtu.be/eWT2mWf0ULY?si=tkYAcoTNUZ9kzhEB
Great combo.
Yes, it only works when high vaccination rates, in other words, mandatory shots
To make our only protection voluntary begs for an American polio outbreak.
https://www.unicef.org/ukraine/en/press-releases/vaccination-only-protection-against-polio-ministry-health-who-and-unicef-urge
And you can bet that bigPharma will charge a fortune for those vaccinations which will permit Americans to travel.
Example:
Vaccines against diseases such as whooping cough ('40s), polio ('50s), and measles ('60s) became a crucial pillar of the public health landscape, the concept of herd immunity came to indicate a targeted percentage of immunity induced within a population.
Vaccines created herd immunity!
The danger of these diseases is real. Science understands how they are passed on and can be stopped. If anti-vaxers are still alive, it's because of vaccines and the science behind them.
Don't tell the "poorly educated" or conspiracy theorists or their head may spin.