In all seriousness, I don't see how anonymous "very left leaning" guy's desire to legally fuck in the park is any more self-serving than liberal Americans' desire to return to a time when US fascism was a little less pronounced/robust/impacting them. - ThreadSky | a Reddit-style client for Bluesky

monnomdeguerre.bsky.social • 70 days ago

In all seriousness, I don't see how anonymous "very left leaning" guy's desire to legally fuck in the park is any more self-serving than liberal Americans' desire to return to a time when US fascism was a little less pronounced/robust/impacting them.

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caffemisto.bsky.social•70 days ago

In all seriousness!

gojira65.bsky.social•70 days ago

“In all seriousness” LMFAO.

yakopov.me•70 days ago

Hello I'm mental.

anarchymarshmallow.bsky.social•70 days ago

I mean you can say no to outdoor sex, saying no to fascism is a bit harder?

monnomdeguerre.bsky.social•70 days ago

I actually suspect, having now had to endure a wallop of US liberal rhetoric and misreading in this thread, that the OP was misrepresenting decrim of cruising & sex work as "legally having sex in the park".

But call your Senator and ask them to stop fascism by voting no the cloture or whatever.

anarchymarshmallow.bsky.social•70 days ago

Cruising was a product of criminalized homosexuality, as an identity, which wouldn't really be necessary without that. But just wanting to bonk in the park is like... bro get a tent idk

anarchymarshmallow.bsky.social•70 days ago

I did misread the thread, I apologize. I'm glad you replied so I could read it again, and better understand your point now. Yes, a lot of libs just want fascism to happen to OTHER ppl and are more concerned with their own wants. Which is very much like the guy thinking only about his own fetish.

redoubters.bsky.social•70 days ago

Under previous US "fascism," for whatever else our nation's many flaws, we were feeding and providing medical supplies for millions of people around the world through programs like PEPFAR

Under current US fascism, we are no longer doing this, so their lives are at risk

yes I would like to go back

sfaccountant.bsky.social•70 days ago

Your premise is insane but crucially does not even logically lead to the conclusion you've established. You would have to be remarkably dim to believe that those things are equally self-serving, even if it were true, which it's not!

The strategic neglect to mention marriage equality is also gross 👎

thebaroness.bsky.social•70 days ago

What?

monnomdeguerre.bsky.social•70 days ago

Like legal park-based fucking, the maintenance of the US state is a self-serving desire of a relatively small group of people on Earth... I thought it was a simple statement?

antitractionist.bsky.social•70 days ago

If 20,000,000 people die of AIDS because Elon stole their medicine will that unlock utopia for the rest of us

effinvicta.bsky.social•70 days ago

I think that there are lives of people dependent on the functioning of that state apparatus makes it higher in stakes than getting a blowie behind a skateboard ramp.

effinvicta.bsky.social•70 days ago

For example, it is only a minority of people worldwide who have an obviously selfish interest in the survival and rejuvenation of the US government's PEPFAR program, but these are people dependent on that program for medical care related to HIV infections and full AIDS.

monnomdeguerre.bsky.social•70 days ago

Remind me again why people all over the world are dependent on the US to provide basic medical care and the necessities of life at the whim of whichever gagle of billionaires decided your last election?

antitractionist.bsky.social•70 days ago

Because nobody else is willing to pay for it.

effinvicta.bsky.social•70 days ago

That's a non-response. Or if it is a response, apparently the answer is that those 20 million people or more gotta be sacrificed for the greater good. 🤔 Hmmm. I wonder where that kind of reasoning was famously displayed.

martinthemess.bsky.social•70 days ago

1.) We in the US benefit from millions of AIDS victims in Africa no longer being able to pass on the disease to others so long as they get their meds as it's the best way to eventually end the AIDS pandemic once and for all, so we benefit ourselves, too.

onbluskysku.bsky.social•70 days ago

There's a lot of structural injustice you can pin the need for PEPFAR on but the US is not what impoverished post-colonial African healthcare systems and, even if it was, destroying an aid system because it's made by the same entity that created the need for it is still destroying an aid system.

4023drew.bsky.social•70 days ago

Who else is offering to do it, exactly?
Or do you think these people should just die?

nicijl.bsky.social•70 days ago

Because china or Russia will move in and provide it and thus country x would become their client state rather than the USA's. It was a bipartisan approach to national security.

hongpong.bsky.social•70 days ago

a lot of times the US (& influential rich people like Bill Gates imposing on Oxford) insist on intellectual property patent controls which make it illegal to make some of these technologies without licensing

anarchymarshmallow.bsky.social•70 days ago

Probably something to do with the extractive nature of the US relations with everyone, destabilizing regions for its own profit, and then giving "aid" to do image management and probably provide a cover for some embezzling and other ops. Other countries aren't underdeveloped, they're over exploited

derorfa.bsky.social•70 days ago

Because everybody loves soft power.
And America (aka the billionaires that decided the last election) used to very much understand, that mineral deals with Africa are well worth the price of some AIDS drugs.

China still understands btw..

trapezohedon.bsky.social•70 days ago

Holy shit you're the exact kind of person being made fun of by op

sfaccountant.bsky.social•70 days ago

Wow you tried really hard to make it sound like a bad thing that America is providing life-saving drugs globally and STILL fell completely flat.

flootzavut.bsky.social•69 days ago

Because the US spent many decades making it so.

twitteraddict.bsky.social•70 days ago

Because no one else is likely to step in and take over. Not if it means spending the kind of money that the US was spending over there. Maybe China or the EU will step in, but that doesn't seem likely.

joi-itos-jibo.bsky.social•70 days ago

No but for real you, personally, are not going to like what comes after America. I thought we’d been over this

dov.bsky.social•70 days ago

Yes, the problem is that you are mainly completely wrong. Things were significantly better less overtly bad four months ago and now they are far worse. That far worse will not translate into better for anyone who was suffering then either.

bendeebendee.bsky.social•70 days ago

if these people think that the suffering of some will lead to the benefit of the rest, they are just imperialists-in-waiting

egyptttt.bsky.social•70 days ago

'Simple' doesn't begin to describe it.

thebaroness.bsky.social•70 days ago

Just add “minded” and you’re right there.

fitzy205.bsky.social•70 days ago

You posted in support of the Americans with Disabilities Act like yesterday. Are people who rely on the US state to protect them because they are disabled a “self-serving small group of people on Earth”?

moosewithablanket.bsky.social•70 days ago

Among other things, you don't seem to know what fascism actually is. You're just using it as a buzzword.

erinnthered.bsky.social•69 days ago

Just wait. You'll get some academic definition of a facet of fascism as though it has any meaning in real life. Because they are so privileged all oppression is an academic exercise to them. They cannot conceive that loss of democratic processes is different from, far worse than shitty LEOs.

monnomdeguerre.bsky.social•69 days ago

If you read through the thread that this one quotes, you will note that it starts with the premise that newly-horrified Americans calling their senators is pragmatic and real change, while criticism of American imperialism, before and under Trump, is self-serving utopian thinking. I disagree.

erinnthered.bsky.social•68 days ago

Yes, acting is change. Criticism is idle. They are correct. More people acting is what improves things. Nobody cares about your leftist posting. It means nothing. It's why those folks people like you call "shitlibs" get more done than anyone else.

monnomdeguerre.bsky.social•69 days ago

I'm not going to play the fascism definition game with you. I believe the real disagreement here is that US liberals see Trump as an aberration, while radical analysis asks you to consider the critique of people who've always been under the US boot. Ironically, y'all want to make USA great again.

moosewithablanket.bsky.social•68 days ago

Yeah, you're normalizing Trump. That's exactly the problem with you not knowing the definition of fascism.

monnomdeguerre.bsky.social•68 days ago

Placing Trump in his historical context is not "normalizing Trump". Framing Trump's politics as "un-American" and aberrant is simply not correct if you engage with the history of the US. This does not mean that Trump is not destroying lives and a critical threat.

thebaroness.bsky.social•70 days ago

Not in the least. And neither was this one.

nickforbrains.bsky.social•70 days ago

this is very unserious sorry