On AUKUS: "it's in the legislation that there is a circumstance where you will not get the submarines," said @turnbullmalcolm.bsky.social.

"If plan A doesn't work...we end up with a big fat nothing."

Hear more on the latest episode of After America w/ @emmashortis.bsky.social.

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