No, it failed because the design boards had no incentive to compete, there wasn't any kind of competition or rewards you could do for better designs, as rewards are inherently capitalistic
And "Oh well done! Good job!" is only going to get you so far
Like in a company, if someone's "reward" is constantly just "Well done buddy! You deserve a letter of praise!" they're not exactly going to keep working hard to improve their standing
Which means there's no incentive to compete with others disappears
So "cooperative competition" doesn't end up working, as you either work together to improve everyone (without incentive, which ehhh) or you compete with each other to improve your own standing
Cool line of thinking, too bad its not the 1990s anymore and mcdonnell douglas no longer exists due to capitalists markets. Now we have the boeing 737 MAX!
Damn, I seem to recall there being a political tendency that claims that capitalism with some antitrust law means stuff like this does not happen and allows for the best distribution.
I'd suck if that was dominant for the 3 decades prior to boeing shitting out that thing
Also gotta note: The 373 MAX failure was not a regulation failure, the regulations for certifying air-frames already existed, the profit motive where spending months and paying to certify why the MAX exists
At multiple levels cost cutting made it possible for the disasters to happen:
- certifying a new aircraft is expensive
- they needed a new aircraft with bigger engines to make more money per trim
- training pilots on the new aircraft (or even just retraining for a modified one) cost money
So, you're arguing that allowing for rewards (like a pay rise) for better work than another group working on the same thing is not contrary to the ideas laid out by Marx and such?
Cos idk what else you mean by "Socialist Competition" do you think people would compete just for the fun of it? lmao
You can have socially oriented benefits that don’t reproduce class based economic exploitation. Giving people time off or trip or something doesn’t make them accumulate profit to the detriment of others.
In an effort to avoid mentioning class and the means of production, capitalist writers often describe communism as a weird little game that tries to get everyone the exact same stuff. But that's not true
It doesn’t mean they stay that way, they teach other people to be more efficient as well to something. Time off like congrats here’s a week off for your accomplishments. This doesn’t create class based exploitation
And all I've seen is "Socialist Competition" either devolving into State Capitalism (ie. the competition part) or stagnation (ie. the socialist part, cos once needs are met there's no need to improve further)
the vast majority of innovation is not actually motivated by profit. to the extent that it is, it's only as far as economical resources are allocated towards other intellectual labourers. in the vast majority of cases, innovation is not rewarded with profit or property rights. and yet it happens.
Just to he clear, you're claiming that the second and third most exported combat aircraft families were failures, aircraft that have been just as incrementally upgraded to remain relevant as the F16 in first place?
The soviets "lost the space race" insofar as American put a man on the moon first, but they accomplished an enormous amount of shit way before the Americans did.
It's not remotely true to say the soviet system "failed" in this respect.
there are also logistical concerns of the economy out growing the ability of central planners to effectively manage.
try managing a modern factory without spreadsheets.
now try managing a whole country.
soviet cybernetics are a fascinating topic for exactly this reason
not only easy but actually possible. they had about 3 million people simply logging factory outputs. the fact they were able to manage it at all is a miracle. the gosplan was extremely difficult to put together. we take excel for granted these days.
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no I can complement somebody without expecting cash
or praise, acknowledge, recognize achievements, however lasting of an impact it has on the wider course of history without monetary competition
whatever else you might be thinking, I don't know - dopamine?
Like in a company, if someone's "reward" is constantly just "Well done buddy! You deserve a letter of praise!" they're not exactly going to keep working hard to improve their standing
If it's empty and then heavily rotated in application, of course it's going to feel monotonous and arbitrary.
Company culture is that way because they're hoping it's enough to make workers "happy".
So "cooperative competition" doesn't end up working, as you either work together to improve everyone (without incentive, which ehhh) or you compete with each other to improve your own standing
Incentive: machine parts for farm equipment
Competition: managed an output of 50k last run, let's shoot for more with this run or do 50k in less time
Plenty to praise
Which is, unsurprisingly, also bad! Wow! A niche take, I know!
I'd suck if that was dominant for the 3 decades prior to boeing shitting out that thing
- certifying a new aircraft is expensive
- they needed a new aircraft with bigger engines to make more money per trim
- training pilots on the new aircraft (or even just retraining for a modified one) cost money
WHY DO YOU THINK GAMES OF ANY KIND EXIST, GARTH?
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Cos idk what else you mean by "Socialist Competition" do you think people would compete just for the fun of it? lmao
Someone in a company that has more PTO has a better standing than someone with less, even if they're paid the same
And like Japan, when the USSR hit a certain level of development, it ended up stagnating for decades
yes dude
do we even live on the same planet?
And all I've seen is "Socialist Competition" either devolving into State Capitalism (ie. the competition part) or stagnation (ie. the socialist part, cos once needs are met there's no need to improve further)
Okay, dickhead
And they put them in space because of cooperation, not because of competition
"Competitive cooperation" is oxymoronic, one is working together to improve things, the other is working to be better than another
The soviets "lost the space race" insofar as American put a man on the moon first, but they accomplished an enormous amount of shit way before the Americans did.
It's not remotely true to say the soviet system "failed" in this respect.
what a terrible system
try managing a modern factory without spreadsheets.
now try managing a whole country.
soviet cybernetics are a fascinating topic for exactly this reason