“…legal duty…” This is where things start to get “interesting.”
We are a nation of laws, of a Constitution. But 30%+ of the people want a dictatorship, and they have seized control of most offices of the government. turmp says HE is the law.
News flash for everyone.
Federal law enforcement has a legal duty to disobey unlawful orders.
Start arresting FBI, ICE, Federal Marshal's.
An FBI agent has a lawful duty to take reasonable action if they witness a crime, whether on or off duty.
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Maybe we have to bring scandals because they won’t move, black liberals insist on celebrities and attacking the other diasporas. Wars with wars. Nothing is taken seriously in this moment, let alone the country. They can’t fix it without first understanding Trumpism. Ego speaks louder, right 🇺🇸 Euro🇵🇹
That 70% of White vets won’t be exempted from the negative actions their Commander in Chief is implementing, such as ending VA mortgage rescue and other veterans’ housing assistance, among other benefits for veterans.
I suspect they may be presently reassessing their support.
Oath to the constitution is smoke and mirrors. Consider this: J6. Vote certification stops. Capitol evacuated. Democracy stops. Police injured/ killed. Military does nothing. Politicians do nothing. Oath to Constitution is lip service
unlawful? who determines that..u mean when ICE detains/o answering ANY questions and placebo hundreds of miles from atty...no hearing..does ICE , DOJ, FBI, DEA, BOP, follow orders blindly? like the Nazis did
What civilians might consider “unlawful“ orders rarely meet the military’s narrow definition for unlawful orders. To assume a 17 year old is going to thoroughly analyze every unsavory command and determine it unlawful is simply ridiculous and won’t happen.
In theory. In practice, the military is a brainwashing machine, the IG is toothless, and leadership often uses barely legal loopholes to quash dissidents for even minor abandonment of the "group-think", much less open disobedience 😞
So what, we bombed Cambodia & Laos, invaded Vietnam, Grenada, Panama & Iraq without a declaration of war. No one was held accountable for war crimes resulting in countless deaths, not the generals, not the Presidents who gave tbe orders.
So we're leaving it up to what my father called (no offense here) "airman no-class" & others see as "jughead" or "jarhead" to figure-out the LEGALITY of their orders ❓️❓️❓️
They are TRAINED to FOLLOW - NOT to think for themselves.
Especially from the President, particularly one who is a convicted felon who disgraces our country and defiantly shits on the Constitution every single day.
They may be required to violate their moral code. If they don’t have the courage of their convictions it will causes a moral injury they will likely not be able to reconcile. It’s so much to ask of a kid whose brain has not finished developing. I honestly think that’s why they recruit 18 year olds.
That is only true for officers. Enlisted personnel take their oath to both the constitution and the president. It is the duty of the officers over those enlisted personnel to protect them by giving them their orders. This is why Trump is getting rid of so many at the top who he fears will not obey.
And there is a hotline to call if they are given illegal orders. I just don’t know who would do anything g since the whole top
Layer of govt is corrupt
I want to know what they are waiting for. If they participate in this parade but don't do their jobs and defend Americans against Trump then they deserve to be booed
They will be given orders to participate in the parade. That is a distasteful, but lawful order. They are obligated to comply. If they were ordered to attack peacefully protesting civilians, that would be an unlawful order, and they would need to use their judgment and refuse.
I truly hope they will but somehow, I doubt that they're going to disobey. Some will but most won't. They'd lose their livelihoods, housing, healthcare.
When the time comes, are they brave enough to hold the line?
Soldiers are conditioned and indoctrinated to accept orders. It takes a very brave officer to question orders from a superior officer
So do members of Congress who swear an oath to the Constitution and that’s not working out so far: “I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”
Most members of Congress are in violation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, making them ineligible to hold a representative office at the Federal level.
It's all just a fantasy unless people fight to make it a reality but Americans have been too comfortable for too long even in poverty we're more comfortable than most other humans
The problem is, we've given up on our courts and on the rule of law. Our politicians face zero legal consequences, and they operate extrajudicially. The positions responsible for enforcing the law are literally appointed by the worst offenders who are breaking the law.
Until any judge or prosecutor can order the President or member of Congress into a court room to face trial and have that order complied with and enforced universally by the military and police, we don't actually have a representative democracy, we have a kleptocracy.
But I get your point. Our system isn't self-correcting, so reforms are going to need to be forced onto those who think they are in power (but who have actually only been granted power). Those reforms can only come from the people.
US troops are mostly young men without a lot of education, who are broken down and reassembled by years of intense conditioning to be unquestioning killers.
They will do exactly what their immediate superiors order them to do.
We can't naively hope they will suddenly become heroes or martyrs.
I wish I didn't. But I have no doubt that if this regime orders the military to subjugate the people - they will.
The army are not Noble Warriors. They are young men doing a job.
“In some cases, our units were so boxed in by rules and regulations and political correctness, we even second-guess ourselves,” Hegseth wrote in “The War on Warriors” last year. “That needs to end. Count me out on the Monday morning quarterbacking—I’m with the American warfighter, all the way”
Troops are designed to follow orders. They aren't lawyers. They don't contemplate unlawful or lawful in the heat of the moment. If it proves to truly be unlawful, the one given the orders would be responsible.
This is a true fact, and and it is imparative that all currently serving remember this, and also should be held to that standard by those of us who have served 💯🎯.
I'm a veteran and I've thought about that non-stop for weeks. As much as I'd like to think conscientious disobeying would happen … I'm not all that confidant …
I have to agree with you. Whether you’re in the military or police force it’s virtually impossible to make your own moral judgment, even if it’s lawful.
Congresscritters have a legal (Constitutional) duty to keep the president in check and respond appropriately whenever blatant, in-your-face bribery takes place. Those sniveling cowards pretend that "everything is fine." Plus, tRUmp has installed lickspittle craven worms in the DoD.
Never going to happen. US military have committed numerous acts that could be classified as war crimes through the years, including shooting unarmed demonstrators at Kent State. They'll do as they're ordered.
👍 As much as many here talk about the difficult life choices we are making right now, our military is also talking amongst themselves about those difficult life choices. Many are not happy with the direction they see things going. Those who still support the WH are about to have a FAFO moment. 🙉🙈🙊
I was talking to a friend yesterday—a Viet Nam veteran who was exposed to Agent Orange. In spite of his experience, he still loves this country and is actually hoping his military brothers and sisters remove Trump and his goons from office. He is not the only veteran with this sentiment.
Many feel this way. It’s hard for them when they can not trust their president. I have one kid still serving and one who just left. They know the stakes. They also know there is more than one way to serve and are counting on everyone to stand up with them. 🤞 There is safety in numbers. 👍
Be aware. The "Nuremberg defense," also known as "just following orders" or "superior orders," is a legal defense that claims individuals are not responsible for crimes committed under the orders of a superior. It didn't work for the Nazis either.
They also tested that one out, turns out they do anyways. Also Kent State shooting had more support for government than protest. Never expect the majority to be correct.
No idea why so many countries rely on the threat of US armed support for their security. US armed forces have, sadly, proved to be a mass of spineless pussies who, (when the US has been attacked in plain sight), are sitting on their hands.
Shame on them.
Usually, only upper echelon officers and NCOs are in position to make judgements about the lawfulness of orders. Lower level soldiers do not see written operational orders in advance, and would have no one to consult.
Exceptions would include orders like "Fire into the crowd of protestors."
Under the Posse Comitatus Act, opens new tab, it is illegal for military personnel to use force against people in the United States, unless for self-defense where authorized by Congress.
This administration has been working hard to remove the few from military that they think will actually give them problem. Grunts on the ground largely have crayon brains and will follow daddy Trump.
That's why Oath Keepers are posing as ICE, illegally abducting innocent people & sending them to some hellhole prison in El Salvador or worse. Their only oath is to themselves & trump.
There are mechanisms for removing one despotic man if Congress gets its act together. There are no mechanisms for a removing military controlled govt. Do not wish for this
The removal mechanisms are failing us, there are loopholes in our Constitution and we have never been where we are now. Congress won’t do anything—the GOP is beholden to Dear Leader and many Dems won’t piss off their big donors. (See Chuck Schumer’s “Strongly Worded Letters.”)
The only positive example of a coup is Portugal 1974 where military gave back to civilian control almost immediately. You think the US military gonna pick Democrats or gop or just hang on to power? Military rule does not end well
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Do American military know this?
I mean education has been in steady decline in the USA for sometime
We are a nation of laws, of a Constitution. But 30%+ of the people want a dictatorship, and they have seized control of most offices of the government. turmp says HE is the law.
Let’s see what happens.
The oath is to the Constitution in danger from unlawful President!
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/insurrection-act-explained
No doubt SCOTUS will get involved in Karoline Leavitt’s court-martial declarations.
They are assisting a #genocide willingly and with enthusiasm
Federal law enforcement has a legal duty to disobey unlawful orders.
Start arresting FBI, ICE, Federal Marshal's.
An FBI agent has a lawful duty to take reasonable action if they witness a crime, whether on or off duty.
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Yes soldiers follow orders…from their direct commanding officer. That’s how it works.
I may be hopelessly naive but I don’t think we’re going down the path of say, Syria.
I suspect they may be presently reassessing their support.
https://ucmjdefense.com/resources/military-offenses/the-lawfulness-of-orders.html
They are TRAINED to FOLLOW - NOT to think for themselves.
That’s why so many become cops afterwards.
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Layer of govt is corrupt
But, they probably will be loyal to their paycheck so fuck freedom.
He's already gutting their benefits. He'll take more from them eventually.
Soldiers are conditioned and indoctrinated to accept orders. It takes a very brave officer to question orders from a superior officer
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We need Lisa Franchetti and Lyle Austin to be resistance army officers.
They will do exactly what their immediate superiors order them to do.
We can't naively hope they will suddenly become heroes or martyrs.
The army are not Noble Warriors. They are young men doing a job.
I hope we don't have to find out.
Pick your poison.
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Shame on them.
they are to defend the Constitution.
Exceptions would include orders like "Fire into the crowd of protestors."
"...to protect and serve America from enemies, both foreign and domestic."
As the last genuine true-blue red-blooded American left in this country, I order you to do your job!
When it's all said and done you can blame me. I'll face the jury since you seem to lack the courage.
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What else is left?
Watching the US Burn....