I agree.
I also wonder why Mrs. Vance's immigrant parents who came to the US in the 80s and likely brought her then (they've never been honest about where she was actually born) are not upset with their son-in-law.
Money and power make ethics so easy to overlook.
Well there’s certainly a subset of conservative persons of color who believe themselves to be in the clear when it comes to all the white supremacism and it has to be something like that
Funny you mention that. In South Africa during Apartheid, people of Indian heritage, even those born in India, were a higher status than NATIVE-BORN AFRICANS!
Yes, I agree with your sentiment as it has some historical evidence; many Indians are okay with racism when they are not on the bottom.
I learned it first by reading Kaffir Boy by Mark Mathabane. I then boycotted Shell Oil and anything else from SA. I boycotted any artist who played Sun City. And I bought w/ my own money my own class set of that life-changing book ⤵️ and read it with my students every year after.
Yes! And what can we expect from a guy who lectures two popes about Christian theology, gets smacked down by the two popes, and then just carries on as if he’s the highest moral authority. So he gets to do what he wants.
In the context of the interview's religious theme, there's also a strong echo of America's long tradition of religion-based arguments in support of slavery, segregation, etc. ("God created different races for a reason" and so on). Alexander Stephens' infamous Cornerstone Speech comes to mind.
... and sounds very much like something someone would say through a hole in a white sheet covering one's head! Does he even have the ability to hear himself? Yeesh!
Now, Jamelle, he’s just “trying to preserve something in [his] own country.” What that mysterious “something” is we may never know. It’s a riddle for the ages.
They need to make a list. South African whites, Swedes, are fine. Anybody else fine to come? Which "heritage" are we defending?
Mexican-American 5th generation LA residents. Can they bring a cousin over? Not them? Who?
I'll bet a shaded political map of Trump's immigration policies by country would show some real interesting (if obvious) trends...🤔I'll see if I can find one.
Hey, I hate to be lazy about this, but you wouldn't happen to have a couple examples of those quotes handy? I know they're out there but having some hard references would be *real* handy in a couple impending arguments. If not, could you recommend a good starting place for research? (Busy week.😽)
I don't know offhand. You might start by googling the "Hitler prophecy," when he said that European Jews would be annihilated if there were another world war, and go from there.
Whether you call it hate or “protecting culture,” the outcomes of denial of rights, social exclusion, legal barriers, etc. are indistinguishable from overtly hateful policies.
In the 1960s, it was George Lincoln Rockwell. "I think I am speaking for the majority of whites when I say that race mixing just isn’t going to work. I think, therefore, that we should take the billions of dollars now being wasted on foreign aid to Communist countries which hate us…"
"Like, that whole Somali 'dog-eating' story? I hope you all know that didn't mean I hate Somalis. It was just business. The important thing is, we don't spread blood libel out of hatred, we do it because we really like power, and we don't understand why you TDS sufferers are so judgmental about it."
Its taken me a long time to realize people deny hating anyone because they believe hate is an emotion not an action. I don't hate anyone because I am in control. If you disrupt my control you're an agitator. If I lose control I was provoked. My need to control you is not hate. Rinse and repeat.
This is exactly it. I’ve seen them consistently define racism as “an irrational hatred due to physical features”. This of course leaves the door open to all kinds of “rational” hatreds, or any belief in the need for racial hierarchy or different capabilities based on race.
What they call “order” is just a cage around their own shame.
Control grows from what they can’t face in themselves.
Hate gets buried—under duty, discipline, and “decency.”
The pattern is the same:
Repress → project → punish the mirror.
Not strength—just fear in a mask.
Agree. Good point. And often they just project everything onto, "well, see, we're just DIFFERENT and that's nobody's fault"
When that is the most abstract, decontextualized claim that conveniently only works one way historically. But it's not their "hate" it's that "you're just different"
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I wonder what kind of conflict is present in his family when everyone comes round for Diwali.
I also wonder why Mrs. Vance's immigrant parents who came to the US in the 80s and likely brought her then (they've never been honest about where she was actually born) are not upset with their son-in-law.
Money and power make ethics so easy to overlook.
they're just another type of asian
Yes, I agree with your sentiment as it has some historical evidence; many Indians are okay with racism when they are not on the bottom.
Arrogance makes people stupid.
Mike Johnson.
“Biblical slavery is OK,” in other words.
This is nonnegotiable!
Mexican-American 5th generation LA residents. Can they bring a cousin over? Not them? Who?
The ones that like us, vote for us and are rich.
White segregationists like Duke using it not against immigrants but against American Blacks aren’t original, & neither is Vance.
- by complete contrast w democratic liberal politicians, who are expected to explain in agonising & repeated detail what they think & why.
Odd that.
it’s about the self.
A projection of repressed desire, disowned identity, and internal shame.
Fascism isn’t just political—it’s psychological.
It hates what it refuses to reconcile within.
We unpacked that here:
👉 https://www.hivegeist.us/2024/09/07/the-devil-within-ego-superiority-and-the-roots-of-fascism/
Again, they fail to acknowledge that those are NOT two completely different things.
- JD Vance
What they call “order” is just a cage around their own shame.
Control grows from what they can’t face in themselves.
Hate gets buried—under duty, discipline, and “decency.”
The pattern is the same:
Repress → project → punish the mirror.
Not strength—just fear in a mask.
When that is the most abstract, decontextualized claim that conveniently only works one way historically. But it's not their "hate" it's that "you're just different"