why is it maggots are so stupid? They don't even understand the meaning of the word freedom, You DON"T have the right to shoot someone... it's NOT your body..... I think if maggots want to shoot themselves in the foot, I'm ok with that. it's your body
The only person trying to tie owning a gun and shooting a kid is you. Why can’t you make your point without those lies. Don’t project your feeling onto others
I don't know where you include abortion in this conversation.... Women should have the right to do WITH THEIR BODIES as they want.... OWNING a dangerous toy has NONTHING to do with your body...
If you’re minding your own business you don’t have anything to worry about. But glad you agree with people’s right to choose vaccinations if they want or not.
How many husband shoot their wives that is one of the number one causes a death among married couples…
Why do you think people need dangerous toys cause that’s all they are. They have no other purpose and if you think you need to protect yourself, you probably don’t need a gun at all.
Ok, not to be that guy, but purchasing a firearm from an FFL already requires ID and filling out of ATF Form 4473. A 6 page form that is submitted to the FBI and a background check is performed using the NICS database. Is this sufficient? Debatable... however, let us not be spurious in our argument
I don’t think the guy in the alley behind my house is gonna fallow any of those rules any time soon, nor the cops I called on him, who blew me off for saying “ex” marine (referring to my partner) when I got nervous instead of “former”. Useless tools! How many people buy guns legally being my point?
And vehemently disagree with convicted felons not being allowed to vote. They’re citizens and it’s their right. Those laws are voter suppression laws, plain and simple.
So, as someone who sells firearms, a Passport isn't viable because passports don't have the address listed, which is needed for the federal form to purchase a firearm.
That's the thing, we need the customer's address to sell the firearm, and we, per the ATF regulations, cannot use a passport or birth certificate to verify a customer's ID, unless it's to verify a name. We can't sell unless we know where the gun's going, hence the need for an address from an ID.
Unlike a bank, we don't hold a customer's information for future use, just the paper form showing the transfer/sale, and we cannot fill in the form, only the customer can fill out the info needed onto the form. Every time a new firearm is chosen to be purchased, a new form is filled out.
Again that's why you need 3 forms of identification, Which should be impossible considering it has your name date of birth and your photo on it and it's a legal document
You can if you use 3 forms of identification like most countries do........... So for example, a passport, driver licence and a utility bill, that is standard in most European countries for everything that requires identification
Basically you need to confirm your address which would be the utility bill, and the passport is a photo I D that proves you are who you say you are Birth certificates are also acceptable As forms of ID but you generally have to provide 3 forms of identification!
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You cannot use a utility bill to verify your address, you cannot use a passport as a valid ID by itself, unless it is to verify your name for a firearm form. It has to be a Gov't-issued ID, with the current address visible. The birth certificate can be used, only to verify your name.
Background checks are already required. Not really sure how a waiting period makes sense if your background check is clean and marksmen training is less helpful than safety training.
I replied then I deleted because because I re-read and your reply didn’t make much sense to me. Background checks - all states must adhere to. Forms of ID - all states must adhere to. Marksmen training. That’s not the same as a safety training. 1/2
2/2 typically, in a functional United States, I’d agree with mandating gun law at the federal level. But not with the Trump administration. States having control is better. Trump is going to eventually come for guns. If all states are required to follow fed, it makes it incredibly easy for him to.
3- Now is not the time to remove the people’s ability to own and use firearms. Knowing 70% of this country is armed is likely stopping armed patrols and curfews.
An un-American opinion from a Brit here, but how about making it nigh on impossible to buy a gun?
You as an individual may feel safer if you have a gun, but if nobody has a gun, everyone actually is safer.
the even more effective way is to actually change people's brains biologically so that they never had that urge to have a gun instead of making laws and all.
Remember to practice at the shooting range at least once a week so you can be sure you can actually hit what you are aiming at. 2024 has shown the fatal consequences that can occur if you can't hit the mark every time.
Again, I'm not opposed to reasonable laws here. I just think they need to be thought through otherwise we give this administration yet another avenue to control, by stochastic means, who can and cannot own a firearm.. and to them, that's the point.
It seems a step away from Trump admin saying "X" type of people are enemies of the state, and then being able to decline their purchase due to political reasons.
Live in a blue state? With riots? Temporarily suspending sales at the REAL ID level for state protection. Thank you for ur understanding
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Better still, don't allow people to own guns. We had one school shooting in 1995. Completely banned gun ownership and there's never been another school shooting in the UK.
What a mess. For an European, it looks weird to be a voter and NOT have a proper ID document on you. It may be a long standing tradition in USA, but it is obviously a serious vulnerability of the system in such times.
California requires a DL or State issued ID, proof of residency, firearm safety certificate, a safe handling demonstration in front of a DOJ certified instructor.
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Washington state gun owner here. You need a HB-1143 training certificate, a valid WA state ID, be living in the state for I think 3 months, and a background check. Its not overly difficult. CPL is even easier.
I've always lived in wa st so I can't accurately answer that but it's easy to vote here. We get the ballots in the mail and there is plenty of secure drop boxes around.
I live in Texas. It’s really easy here too. They mail you the registration and you fill it out and drop it in the mail. Then you get to vote for like a month before actual voting day at any polling place (usually churches, schools, and libraries). You just need a drivers license or ID.
You do. And so much more. I really wish my fellow progressives would fucking research and learn just what goes into legally purchasing a firearm and stop listening to parroted talking points.
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Then how about some liability insurance before you can get a license to gun …
Why do you think people need dangerous toys cause that’s all they are. They have no other purpose and if you think you need to protect yourself, you probably don’t need a gun at all.
Oh, but you say law, abiding citizens, don’t you children but they’re law abiding until they’re not …
We all should have the right to be safe including school children
Gun show and private sale loopholes are a whole other area for debate, separate and not without problems, to be sure.
Don't bring it up till after 2026!
This can work!
As an inmate you're not allowed to vote, right? As a former felon in some states neither as well. Yet you can get elected for office?!
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Even banks accept passports as identification, for proof of address you just need a utility bill!..... That's how most countries do it
You cannot use a utility bill to verify your address, you cannot use a passport as a valid ID by itself, unless it is to verify your name for a firearm form. It has to be a Gov't-issued ID, with the current address visible. The birth certificate can be used, only to verify your name.
Just plan ahead!
Background checks 6 months training waiting list!
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You as an individual may feel safer if you have a gun, but if nobody has a gun, everyone actually is safer.
$1000 per shot or more
I understand the sentiment, but it also has ramifications that may be unintended.
I am not against some reasonable laws, but rarely are they thought through on the impacts v. intent.
So that means they just can't own? Hmm. Ok.
Some states require passports/ID ($), expensive classes, and other documentation to attain. They forgo it.
There's likely a balance
Those wanting to commit crimes don't adhere to these laws, or see the $ as a cost of doing business.
Those who need/want one legitimately, may not be able to with blanket statements like this.
Good way to control who can buy a gun, and put it further behind paywalls that mostly the privileged can only afford.
Most states require ID and NICS background checks.
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I mean, MAGA would not want a foreigner to have a gun (except white Afrikkans). Right?
Makes total sense. Right?
You don't even need to demostrate your age AND your identity to buy a gun???
You shouldn't buy any guns at all!