Nope. We hunted for food and used other parts of the animals we hunted for various things long before settlers arrived. There are many more examples of colonizers attacking Indigenous peoples ability to hunt and live off the land.
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Also, might sound weird to some, but the idea that plants have less "value" than animals when they are as evolved as we are aka they are here today while we also share a common ancestors shows a very biased point of view on what is a "sacred life" and what is not for them.
Many vegans are part of the authoritarian left. Self-righteous, thinks they're in charge of intersectionality, virtue signalling, white or highly assimilated... which really boils down to just another flavor of racist bigots...
Very weird too because it *is* true that this very thing did involve the push of agriculture onto the Indigenous people... but this person is so focused on it being so mean to kill animals for any reason ever that they're missing the forest for the trees.
It's precisely the bigoted belief these people who defend animal exploitation cling on to, arguing that their "relationship with nature" justifies oppression and violence towards other animals.
It's even kind of hard to generalize about what the big pre-Columbian civilizations in North America were like because the disease waves shattered a lot of them and subsequent European colonization/genocide prevented recovery.
Colonizers weaponized animal slaughter to starve Indigenous peoples, proving animal oppression & human oppression are intertwined. But being a victim of violence doesn’t justify passing it on. Indigenous cultures evolve, and many choose compassion over killing today. #TotalLiberation
Your hateful insults only reveal a failure to see that true liberation values every oppressed life—human and non-human. Name-calling won't dismantle systemic injustice. Let's focus on elevating our fight for change, not on hate.
I'm a Mexican mestiza. My ancestors’ names were erased by colonialism, like so many others.
If you need to know my bloodline to engage with my arguments, you’re not debating justice—you’re searching for an excuse to ignore it.
This reads as the fetishistic Edenization of pre-Columbian Western Hemisphere Cultures. It would be useful to counteract that feeling if one provided just one (1) Indigenous nation that tended towards vegansim. But I'm guessing that would be very difficult to find.
Many non-Western cultures have long practiced plant-based traditions out of respect for animals. The Jain, Buddhist, and Hindu traditions in India emphasize non-violence and compassion. Veganism is not about idealizing the past but rejecting all forms of oppression, including colonialism.
Jains are an anomaly (no offense meant) when it comes to diet. Meat eating is absolutely not some invention of colonialism that was forced upon the rest of the world. That's completely ahistorical and doesn't reflect the vast majority of cultures.
Honestly, this sort of romanticism of non-Western cultures reeks of "noble savage" bullshit. These people killed animals, they altered the land to fit their needs, they had cities and agriculture and wars - so many wars - because that is part of the history of humanity whether you like it or not.
Less than 50% of Hindus are practicing vegetarians. I'm all for humans eating less meat, mostly because how I feel about factory farms & the impact of said farming on Climate Change.
Mucking about in the historical dietary habits of cultures you don't know about isn't a great way to make a point.
I've already made clear that veganism isn’t about idealizing the past or fetishizing cultures. It's about rejecting all forms of oppression.
Humans and other animals are both victims of violence, and we can fight multiple injustices at once. Stop pretending liberation is a zero-sum game.
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It's precisely the bigoted belief these people who defend animal exploitation cling on to, arguing that their "relationship with nature" justifies oppression and violence towards other animals.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noble_savage
Saying they were vegan is weird as hell.
If you need to know my bloodline to engage with my arguments, you’re not debating justice—you’re searching for an excuse to ignore it.
Buddhists and Hindus waged plenty of wars too.
Mucking about in the historical dietary habits of cultures you don't know about isn't a great way to make a point.
https://www.saretapuri.com/writing/decolonisation-plant-based-plate
https://www.prathaculturalschool.com/post/the-history-of-vegetarianism-in-india-and-the-world
My point isn’t about "diet"—it's about fighting oppression.
When I say you are fetishizing cultures you don't understand, this is precisely what I mean.
Humans and other animals are both victims of violence, and we can fight multiple injustices at once. Stop pretending liberation is a zero-sum game.
https://straydoginstitute.org/decolonizing-the-us-food-system/
https://sentientmedia.org/industrial-meat-indigenous-opression/
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/702788