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gregdoucette.bsky.social • 10 days ago

Supremacy Clause immunity. Federal officials in the performance of their duties are immune from state prosecution. See In re Neagle, 135 US 1 (1890) and Idaho v Horiuchi, 215 F3d 986 (9th Cir 2000)

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Then why dont they arrest ice agents

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boredompeejeterson.bsky.social•9 days ago

From prosecution, okay. But since they are committing crimes, they could legally be shot, at least by cops, right?
Not as revenge but to stop them from completing the crime

tomac.blue•10 days ago

Arrest them anyway, make them defense themselves in court?

gregdoucette.bsky.social•10 days ago

Do you think red states are going to cancel their elections? Do you think they control elections in blue states?

What do you envision "there are more red states than blue ones" means for 2026 elections happening?

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pollyannat.bsky.social•8 days ago

there are dems and independents in red states. even though Texas is a red state almost 1/2 of the state voted blue. my county had 80% vote red but the cities are pretty blue.

littlenomad.bsky.social•10 days ago

Everyone keeps taking about free and fair elections going away prior to the midterms, and here I am in 2025 having read the results of multiple elections in the US this year where the Democratic candidates either won or cut deeply into red margins.

kellybdevoe.bsky.social•9 days ago

Yeah there’s like, no prominent election that has not met one of these two distinctions

gregdoucette.bsky.social•9 days ago

The more people experience Trump, the less they like him. The passage of time helped him more in 2024 than anything else

alexheistermann.bsky.social•9 days ago

The question is: How much people he is going to piss off until republican party starts turning against him?

kellybdevoe.bsky.social•9 days ago

In 2025

missy-ubermom.bsky.social•10 days ago

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johnpaulhi.bsky.social•10 days ago

One of the best threads out there on this. Greg put in the work. @gregdoucette.bsky.social

missy-ubermom.bsky.social•10 days ago

What a fantastic share my friend!!! Thank you!💙

johnpaulhi.bsky.social•10 days ago

Always 💙

gregdoucette.bsky.social•10 days ago

Exactly

2028 is a legitimate worry, b/c there are plenty of scenarios where a free election is not fair, like Trump funneling govt contracts to Musk's companies, who in turn do GOTV for Rs

Not gonna happen in 2026 across 500+ federal races

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missy-ubermom.bsky.social•9 days ago

Let’s face facts. The 2024 election wasn’t fair. Musk as much admitted that shit!

imagine0enigami.bsky.social•10 days ago

And the thing is, if we flip both chambers of Congress hard enough with people willing to do what is necessary, we can end this little fascist project two years into it.

I know it’s a big “if” but it’s there.

(Also just flipping both chambers mildly is enough to neuter them, generally)

vmcf.bsky.social•9 days ago

The more Trump acts outside of the norms, the speed at which he is attacking so many facets of what America is, the more likelihood we have a blowout in 2026, dems can campaign easily on how their opponent is letting everything happen, refuse to stand up to Trump)

gregdoucette.bsky.social•10 days ago

Popular legitimacy is still necessary for authoritarianism. There's a reason even Vladimir Putin still holds elections

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missy-ubermom.bsky.social•9 days ago

Didn’t you mean to write: “Vladimir Putin still holds “elections”? (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge) it’s only a legit election if you don’t know the outcome months prior. 🤷🏻‍♀️

crookedknight.bsky.social•10 days ago

Everything they do makes it seem like they don't think that principle holds for America anymore, or that nothing they do will actually break through the bubble to the point where it *does* damage their legitimacy.

nhashem.bsky.social•10 days ago

Russia, Iran, the CCP, and other authoritarian states also do massive amounts of internal surveillance to evaluate the mood/opinions of the public. There is a reason Putin wants to make sure e.g. young white collar professionals in Moscow and St. Petersburg feel mostly unimpacted by the war.

gregdoucette.bsky.social•10 days ago

Yup

https://bsky.app/profile/ryanwithcupcake.bsky.social/post/3lr2jldremk25

gregdoucette.bsky.social•9 days ago

Yep. But I'm not even at the "what's the fallout from doing it" stage – I'm stuck on how, procedurally, do folks think they could be blocked

Subsidiarity makes collective action hard, but makes stopping collective action functionally impossible

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gregdoucette.bsky.social•9 days ago

Game this out. Assume Trump declares an insurrection.

Then what?

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mayort.bsky.social•10 days ago

My understanding is that the Russian situation is largely sustainable due to the county having very few credible centers of urban power. Convincingly dominate Moscow and maybe St. Petersburg and you're good to go. Easy. California *alone* has how many of these you'd need to occupy?

lonelylupine.bsky.social•10 days ago

Soviet Russia still held elections, and made sure they got the max participation they could, even going as far as bringing the ballot box to you if you couldn't go to it. Yeah, they weren't remotely fair elections, but they tried hard to make it look like they had popular assent.

mydamie.com•10 days ago

Even Kings feared igniting a populist revolt

alexheistermann.bsky.social•10 days ago

People had forget that Hitler was very popular in Nazi Germany.

alexheistermann.bsky.social•10 days ago

Expect republicans to abandon ship when trump popularity turn south real quick here.

flyingsquidgoggles.bsky.social•10 days ago

This is an important point - Putin and Orban hold sway because they are seen as maintaining an order, if Trump and Homan are seen as provoking disorder; that’s a significant departure from the playbook. It’ll poll well with the 30% who would support any killing of leftists, but what about the rest?

vmcf.bsky.social•9 days ago

And that is different than theories about mass cheating across all the swing states. We established in 2020 (in courts) that there’s no internet connection to voting machines, and yet so many blueanon accts are carrying on abt Starlink interfering w/ the count.

rdmacq.bsky.social•10 days ago

Which of course assumes

1) Trump is still alive (Guy's not looking good.)

2) Musk is willing to help the Republicans again, and not just nuke them by starting his own "Centrist" (i.e. far right party) that cuts into Republican votes which ultimately aids the Democrats.

deathbymeteor.bsky.social•9 days ago

If we're doubly lucky, he'll draw off the elected Dems who are too stupid to realize the scorpion he is (*stares intently at Ro Khanna*)

keyoke420.bsky.social•9 days ago

It doesn't matter. We are no longer a nation of laws. They will just do whatever they want, and SCOTUS will back them.
The Constitution doesn't matter anymore. Laws dont matter anymore. We're not even guaranteed another election. If we do,it will be Putin-style.

tibber.bsky.social•10 days ago

Why would any of that matter at this point?

jben1990.bsky.social•9 days ago

Also, even assuming completely free and fair elections everywhere...the Senate map next year is so dire it's hard to see the Dems winning back the Senate And without the Senate, the Dems can't stop any nominations, for example. Only so much you can do with just the House.

jben1990.bsky.social•9 days ago

I don't think red states will cancel thier elections, but some might put thier thumbs on the scale. There a huge space between "a complete sham election" and "100% free and fair".

dxmnkd316.bsky.social•10 days ago

The idea of not holding elections is so violently anti-American that it would jolt a large swath of the country harder than a car battery connected to their testicles.

Sure, the nazis would be fine with it, but they don’t make up 50% of the country.

joehaydu.bsky.social•10 days ago

I mean, this is basically Bivens claim territory re: 4th amendment violations when they seize a citizen, right?

dapomeroy.bsky.social•9 days ago

It'd be funny if they arrest them, tell them their federal IDs look fake, and hold them in jail for a day or two. Won't happen but it ought to

violetbytradition.bsky.social•9 days ago

I guess that explains why ICE is so unconcerned about things like laws, public safety, and the Bill of Rights.

chessercat.bsky.social•9 days ago

Ruby Ridge continuing to haunt us

jjinandtonic.bsky.social•10 days ago

It sucks so hard at this moment that so much of the states vs federal government canon came from reconstruction/civil rights, making you look to racists if you want to assert a state power to impede federal agents like ICE

newsdude0.bsky.social•10 days ago

Thank you!

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