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j0hnbev.bsky.social • 27 days ago

Vote green get reform as shown in Runcorn https://bsky.app/profile/eastangliabylines.co.uk/post/3lod7tnnxbs2d

Opponents, on left and right, like to claim that Labour has reneged on all its promises.

But three quarters of the most important ones are on track or achieved.

Stephen McNair reports on some of the stuff that the media miss

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ala8.bsky.social•27 days ago

Starmers fault then, pushing his cruel welfare cuts

j0hnbev.bsky.social•27 days ago

Welfare cuts that reform said didn’t go far enough. By the way, do you happen to know how much health insurance is lately? Asking for 70 million friends

robertsmark.bsky.social•27 days ago

So vote Labour, and still get disability cuts, but not as bad. Why do we need them at all, John? You seem to think they’re a given. They’re not. #DisabilityBenefits

j0hnbev.bsky.social•27 days ago

But not as bad is key here surely Mark? Plus of course that everybody would need health insurance, even disabled people, on top of these cuts. So deride labours unpopular policy decisions if you like, but be aware of what the alternative would be, is all I’m saying. Have a good day

robertsmark.bsky.social•27 days ago

John, with respect, you’re missing my point. Labour don’t have to cut #DisabilityBenefits You don’t get the latter, if they don’t do the former. Have a good day, too.

robertsmark.bsky.social•27 days ago

Also, Labour would’ve have won Runcorn, had it not been for their position on #DisabilityBenefits It’s entirely of their own doing. They literally forced a lot of their own voters to go elsewhere.

ala8.bsky.social•27 days ago

with PIP needing to score 4 points

ala8.bsky.social•27 days ago

I support the Greens, not head the ball Reform party, and Starmer alienated millions of voters with his cruelty to the disabled, sick, and the old aged pensioners with the winter fuel allowance cuts, be more suicides because of the PIP cuts starting next year with combining both UC Health

j0hnbev.bsky.social•27 days ago

No you don’t. You support reform. The greens won’t win a ge or anywhere near it. Enjoy reform

ala8.bsky.social•27 days ago

I voted Green last year because of the Neo Liberal Starmer party, said before the election going after welfare to save money with Reeves, but this time gone too far picking on them

j0hnbev.bsky.social•27 days ago

Then don’t moan when reform get in, that’s all I’m saying. Own your indirect support for the fascists 👍

diogofilipefilipe.bsky.social•27 days ago

What you should be saying is: keep Labour going blue and you'll get Reform.

pete-m.bsky.social•27 days ago

Rather than blaming Green voters, better to look to the 54% of people who didn’t vote. Don’t vote, get Reform.

j0hnbev.bsky.social•27 days ago

No I’m quite comfortable with my analysis. It was clearly a 2 horse race. And actively voting green on such a scenario is a statement of you don’t mind reform winning

kibalchich.bsky.social•27 days ago

No it isn't. I voted Green as their policies are the nearest to my own political beliefs. My husband was the candidate but that's irrelevant. If he stood for Reform I would refuse to vote for him (and probably divorce!!).

j0hnbev.bsky.social•27 days ago

Enjoy Reform then sweetie

kibalchich.bsky.social•27 days ago

Err...'sweetie'? Condescending and rather sexist. But hey. Same ole same ole...

kibalchich.bsky.social•27 days ago

As @georgemonbiot.bsky.social said regards continuing to vote Labour, if you hold your nose long enough you'll asphyxiate.

j0hnbev.bsky.social•27 days ago

Well hopefully you do it before Reform get in and you have to pay for your treatment 👍

frenchbill.bsky.social•27 days ago

Life is about compromise , but the way they are now scapegoating immigrants is disgusting. I cannot see any decent vision of future for youth from labour. Trying to outdo Reform on hate is not the solution .

j0hnbev.bsky.social•27 days ago

Look I agree with you. I’m not enamoured with every policy decision. However, not voting labour because of their reform lite immigration policies, that then ends up with the full fat reform policies if they get elected. Seems to me to be an odd decision.

mufcadam.bsky.social•27 days ago

It really isn't John. Time to start questioning why people don't vote for the party you want them to, rather than just blaming them for not doing.

j0hnbev.bsky.social•27 days ago

People can vote or not vote for who they want to Adam. I’m just pointing out the consequences of that, whilst countering the propaganda that Labour have had multiple failures when the opposite is true. https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/party-politics/labours-gone-back-on-all-their-promises-really/

mufcadam.bsky.social•27 days ago

No John, you're blaming people for not voting, when you should be asking why Labour isn't attracting them.

I used to be an active, campaigning member. Now I won't vote for them.

Don't you ever wonder why there are so many people like me?

j0hnbev.bsky.social•27 days ago

Well enjoy reform then. #Fafo

pete-m.bsky.social•27 days ago

If the focus on lost votes is on those who voted for Greens, rather than those that didn’t vote then Labour will continue to fail.
I’d argue encouraging non-voters to vote Labour than Greens to switch to Labour is an easier task. If they had a positive vision.

j0hnbev.bsky.social•27 days ago

I’d argue that in a 2 horse race in a first past the post scenario, voting green instead of labour very much helped the reform candidate win by 6 votes. And I also draw from the similar scenario in the states, where Jill Stein voters helped Donald Trump won. It’s really just counting

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