2 months ago this is what elected officials from opposition parties in S Korea were doing in the middle of the night as their President attempted a coup.
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Yeah but the leadership of the American “opposition” is made up of geriatric millionaires far more concerned about their stock portfolios than democracy.
The party heads like Pelosi has repeatedly made it clear through their actions that they view even moderate social democrats like sanders of Ocasio-Cortez as significantly more of a threat to their interests than trump.
At least this genuinely seems to be the pre-WWII swastika, culturally. Wait until you hear what the "youth" are up to (Myanmar and Thailand in the following article, but it's seen in other Asian countries as well, and it extends beyond embracing the explicitly Nazi version of the swastika).
it's not eyebrow-raising for koreans, because we didn't have jack shit to do with the crimes of the nazis (save collaborators w/ the japanese, but even so that's tenuous) and it has an established meaning that is distinct from the hakenkreuz
it's not some cryptonazi shit, not that complicated
I'm pretty sure most westerners had nothing to do with Nazi Germany and are aware of how the symbol was used.
If I were choosing the gate for a government or government-affiliated building, I would simply not purchase a fence with swastikas as a part of its design
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shit is ubiquitous as a motif, why should we care about the opinions of foreigners when this has nothing to do with us? europeans were by and large either perpetrators, collaborators or victims of nazi war crimes, not us, for whom the semiotics and cultural valence are totally different
Same design is all over pre-1930s architecture in America. Nobody “raises an eyebrow,” because they’re smart enough to know a thing can change over time.
there were literally soldiers with their rifles unslung who were barricading entry to the parliamentary building and the opposition party legislators evaded them then scaled walls and fences to make their way inside
I literally showed you a video of an opposition party spokesperson grabbing the barrel of long rifle of a fully plate carrier’d special forces operator but ok
these images of the people inside the parliamentary building throwing up these makeshift barricades to keep out the soldiers who had been sent to detain the oppositions leaders is something that's stuck with me, regular south koreans were willing to fight and die to protect their democracy
Again, no disrespect intended, and I apologize it read that way. I merely meant to make a comparison (while still agreeing!). There are similar pictures like this from the January 6th insurrection where people died that day or later due to events of that day. It's horrible no matter where.
sure, i just want to emphasize that the south korean opposition showed some real bravery and non-trivial risk to their personal safety, something which is in stark contrast to what's happening right now here in the US
Please see my followup skeet for personal correction. I am 100% in agreement that our reps need to demonstrate this behavior but also tempering it with the reality of how bad it is and the dangers faced. We should still ask this of our officials but know the risks we encourage.
The intent of my statement isn't to disparage the bravery and determination of S Korean resistance; it's to outline the higher stakes of American resistance when so many have access not just to guns, but anything from pistols to assault rifles and a large percentage not trained in trigger discipline
I'm confused. Are you comparing government officials to soldiers in full war uniform storming beaches? Because no one should have to do that, but especially not civilians.
Uh huh. Not arguing that part. Arguing that the dangers are incredibly high and we kind of need our officials alive to fight for us, which would be hard with a bunch of right-wing gun nuts with murder fantasies getting mildly spooked. Not saying don't do it, but to be smart about it (like climbing)
One of the opposition lawmakers that night was an 86 year old (who lived through 6 dictatorships or coup attempts) who scaled a wall, barricaded the Assembly against troops, voted against martial law, and stayed the whole night so Yoon couldn't try again, started the impeachment process next morning
Not to minimize the current lackluster response by Dems, but the “opposition party” in SK had a nearly 2/3 majority in the legislature. Dems would have about 1000x more options on the table if they controlled Congress.
I think people are misunderstanding my post. I want Dems to use every procedural tactic available to them. This post is referring to tactics to delay legislation (that eventually passed anyway). Fewer legislative procedural options are available to a minority party for (illegal) executive action.
The best legal option available is state AGs pursuing litigation in friendly courts, which they are already doing. Dems should be doing much more aggressive messaging on top of that IMO. But as a legal/procedural matter there’s not much a legislative minority can do to stop bad executive action.
Yeah, I agree Dems should be in maximum opposition
/ blocking mode. That’s less effective now than it was in 2009 due to changes in the filibuster rules, but they should do what they can. I’m just saying their ability to take any affirmative action at the federal level is very limited until 2027.
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They can take a stand or just admit that they are unequipped to be resistance and go retire to their millions.
They plan to keep the chair warm until they keel over in their office like Dianne Feinstein.
Holding power is as important to them as keeping left wing democrats they feel are their ideological opponents out of power.
i mean, we were using it before the nazis desecrated it
(grammar, oops)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/week-asia/lifestyle-culture/article/3153374/japan-why-are-nazi-themed-bars-still-opening
it's not some cryptonazi shit, not that complicated
If I were choosing the gate for a government or government-affiliated building, I would simply not purchase a fence with swastikas as a part of its design
shit is ubiquitous as a motif, why should we care about the opinions of foreigners when this has nothing to do with us? europeans were by and large either perpetrators, collaborators or victims of nazi war crimes, not us, for whom the semiotics and cultural valence are totally different
Same design is all over pre-1930s architecture in America. Nobody “raises an eyebrow,” because they’re smart enough to know a thing can change over time.
@schumer.senate.gov
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-korea-opposition-chief-stabbed-during-visit-busan-yonhap-2024-01-02/
That was Lee Jae-myung
https://bsky.app/profile/ezralevin.bsky.social/post/3lh7kpovdm22c
/ blocking mode. That’s less effective now than it was in 2009 due to changes in the filibuster rules, but they should do what they can. I’m just saying their ability to take any affirmative action at the federal level is very limited until 2027.