It’s willful stupidity and prideful ignorance on full display. Or ego-boosting exploitation of a contrarian niche of other stupid and ignorant people. Or both.
And the lifespan was about 35 to 40 and people died in gruesome ways from infections we can treat now and even more people were permanently disabled from diseases like measles.
Oh it’s even better- meet one of these morons I. Person and they will complain about us even studying history -why do we need to do that- it’s already happened -why waste time on shitbthat has been. Supernaturally stupid and lazy
You don’t have to go many years back in time to prove that it is correct even. Go back to their grandparents and many will see what was going on. And another generation and most will see it. The rest can go one more step and it is guaranteed.
Gates Foundation- from the onset of their vaccination initiative they helped reduce childhood deaths from 10 million to 5 million.
Split in half. So yes, vaccines work. Per Gates from a talk show last week. US government withdrawal is so egregious. 😥
My grandfather had three younger siblings die, and he almost died. I almost died as an infant. Visit your local cemetery, an old one, and you will see all the graves of infants and children under 10.
I think that is what killed the kids in my grandfather's family. I almost died of "Asiatic" flu at about 3 or 4. These ignorant people don't understand. I had measles, mums, chickenpox and who knows what.
Yes, the body is amazing but it doesn't protect against polio, measles and numerous other nasty stuff that either kills you or leaves you with life long disabilities ..people were grateful for vaccines until the Facebook experts decided they're dangerous...because someone told them so it's true ..
Yes, take a walk through 19-20th century graveyards and see how many headstones are infants and young children. (Also, the world was different: people ate food from their garden or local area, it wasn't flown in on people-moving jumbo jets -- with accompanying viruses/bacteria.)
FFS, we had a president who was unable to walk due to polio, which we had nearly eradicated before this last bunch of tinfoilers began refusing the vaccine!
Seriously. My father was born in the old country in 1903, the youngest of eight. The fact that they all made it to adulthood, and all but one lived into old age, is nothing short of a miracle. A total anomaly.
You’re correct. In limited setting these little workers can have some use. I should have said “barbers as surgeons.” I think barbers have more scrutiny and licenses than our current Surgeon General.
About 50 percent of the entire population of Europe died in the first Black Plague, between 75 and 200 million people. But yeah, people's immune system is 'perfectly fine' and no need for any of those medical discoveries like vaccinations and bathing in streams of shit works great.
I guess their "plan" would "work". All you have to do is remove every shred of decency and humanity from your body and soul. I haven't done that, and I don't want to but apparently Trump and MAGA have. Then there is the average lifetime being shorter...
They can barely read, much less comprehend and have critical thinking skills. It’s why Republicans are attacking education. The stupid are controlled by them.
Alt Text: Antiwaxxer whose name resembles Jack Shit asks insincerely how humans survived without vaccines and modern hygiene.
He's answered, the kids died, so people had twice as many of them to let some survive.
With that stupid argument - there should also be a ban on antibiotics.
The good old days when the smallest scratch could lead to a life threatening infection.
I think they do understand. They want most children to live short, terrible lives while working in sweatshops with no safety protections for low wages. Think that is an exaggeration? Look at the policies of the Republican party.
Does this dude really want to go back to a time when half of the kids died, the ones who survived often had disabilities, and most people didn't make it beyond their 40s? Is that really the life he wants? Really?
I hike a lot, sometimes I'm in a park that will have a family graveyard in it. More often than not, infants, children and a young woman make 80% of the graves.
Where do these people come from? We aren't THAT far removed from this. Don't they talk about their families? Don't they go to cemeteries? Those really old, tiny little white headstones, or the ones with lambs, those are babies or small children. I had 7 & 8 great aunts & uncles on both sides, & as
My professor, in a big lecture, once had us all stand, then sit down if: we were born breach, had a cavity, broke a bone, certain sicknesses, etc. In the end, only three kids were the "survivors."
This is my great grandparent's siblings. ( I knew 3 of them. I didn't even know about those who expired in 1882 until I did a tree. I had assumed though that the big age gap with my great uncles indicated childhood disease. Also families had only the first born survive due to RH including my mom.)
Up until the mid Twentieth century most US was rural, one room housing on the farm. ONE BED, where did the little kiddles go while mommy and daddy make babies?
The other side of the bed.
Our attitude towards sex is worse than puritan, even puritans copulated in the presence of their other children
also there were fewer humans and they did not mingle much. there was no modern travel, so usually local outbreaks did not become pandemics. and yes also, kids died. mothers too. https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality-in-the-past
Oh for Fu$k sake!! Smallpox, diphtheria, measles, influenza, polio, etc. less than 100 yrs ago these diseases caused millions of deaths world-wide. Vaccine research and implementation did not happen on the off change humans might need it!!
Morons need to go visit some old cemeteries.My grandparents had 13 kids only 7 made it to adulthood and had kids of their own. Last one to die was my uncle 89. all 28 of us kids got the immunizations and, one of us died at 32, but not from disease.
Doing my family tree I found many children who died also children who were passed around to relatives because the parents died young.
So many early deaths.
Visit any old (100 years or so) cemetery. If you look at the children's headstones, their deaths fall dramatically after around 1970. That's because childhood vaccines were safe, effective, and becoming widespread. People no longer needed to have 10 kids just so 5 could maybe live to see age 40.
They didn't survive those diseases.
We have a small cemetery in town. There are entire families buried there. Back then, they included age at death on the tombstones.
Emily Jones 3 months 1 week & 4 days. Next to that
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grave, Jon Jones
2 yrs. 4 mo, 10 days next to them, Sarah Jones 21 yrs, 7 mo. & 26 days
Back then, when one family member got measles, they ALL got measles, whooping cough, etc.
And many members of the same family died
Those tombstones are all
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crumbly now. They didn't have the greatest material to work with back then. It's on Main St & probably only has about 50-60 graves.
I didn't need to go into such detail 😅
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We have those, too. We have grave sites back to the 1600's (New England). You will see what you described above. It turns out, medical science saves lives.
where in New England? I lived in Peabody Ma. and Sanford/Springvale Maine~I loved it there~Massachusetts had the nicest people
`I was nervous to move there cuz they had a rep for being 'cold'~but they were so cool~
I wake up and start reading Bluesky…..has the world gone mad or is social media what makes it feel nuts? I’m sorry…just feeling overwhelmed by it all this morning
In 1900 there was a 1 in 4 chance you would't make it to adulthood; most children died before age of 5. Even if you lived to adulthood, life expectancy was only 47 years. Vaccines made a huge difference not only in life expectancy but also in quality of life. Not being confined to an iron lung, say.
History, is certainly not one of their strong points. They just believe what they're told, nothing to do with the facts. It's just absolutely pathetic how stupid people are.
“Before the measles vaccine was developed in 1963, major epidemics of the disease occurred every two or three years. More than 2.6 million people died from the measles every year until vaccination for the disease became widespread.”
I dare Rick to read this article and to then respond with intelligence and intellectual honesty. The question is no longer, "Do vaccines cause autism", the question is now "What are the precise mechanisms by which vaccines cause autism".
I can't believe the stupidity your right they need to open a book or Google plagues in world history or pneumonia and who discovered the cure from moldy bread.
Was just reading about the Plague of Justinian, yes, some folks survived, but it wasn't a barrel of laughs, and is the kind of thing you want to avoid if possible.
Jack should be placed in a room with someone with advanced stage TB without a mask and let's watch Jack's body demonstrate it's amazing natural defense capabilities.
I guess none of these loosers have ever been to the old part of the cemetery. Where mom and Dad (often more than one mom, and look at the ages when those women died) are flanked by a slew of tiny graves, some with only the name “baby” on the headstone.
People suffered from cumulative, complicated grief. The distress tolerance had to be necessarily high in the populace, and those w/o that, basically lost their sanity. Mary Todd Lincoln was a high profile & heartbreaking instance of this. To voluntarily revisit such eras is utter lunacy.
I think Americans, just in general, have forgotten why some of these regulations and suggestions about things like vaccinations, maternal heath, food safety, cleanliness (handwashing), required schooling and child labor, exist…. We have been insulated from dangers of our world.
Might wanna go back several hundred years ..and chart the longevity of individuals..from when the average life expectancy was in the 40 s., to the present . Are they really that stupid ??
In 1800 in the US, the child mortality rate (under age 5) was around 462.9 deaths per 1000 births. In 1900 there were roughly 200 deaths per 1,000. In 2000 the rate had dropped to 9 per 1,000 live births. In 2024, there were about 5.5 deaths per 1,000 live births. Isn't medical science wonderful! 💙
My charity do a great deal in Uganda, schools, medical clinics etc. including a village, called Kagoma Gate. The government asked me if we help,we did and life has changed drastically. Woman there have many children because they know many will die.They don’t call it a baby until it’s born.that’s why
I had a debate about vaccines just the other day with a fella who attempted to counter with... 'but there is a vaccine for Covid, and millions still died'. The look on his face when I told him data shows the majority who died of Covid were unvaccinated, was priceless.
Half the kids died before age 5. There are many cultures that don’t give kids names until age ten or so, because I guess it just wasn’t worth getting attached to them before that…
Because of the hygiene hypothesis. He’s trying to prove it’s true. If you look up the hygiene hypothesis, it says being too clean is why developed countries have so much autoimmune diseases, & why developing countries have none.
It’s not that type. It’s more along allergen exposure, dust exposure, dirt exposure. It’s still dumb AF to take vaccines away & OD your kids on Vit A which is retinol, btw.
True. I guess hygiene is more than handwashing.
I will never understand how anyone thinks vaccines, especially long-used, proven-effective vaccines, “don’t work”.
Also, children who grow up on farms tend to have lower prevalence of allergies. They are around dust and other allergens at an early age and so develop adequate immune reactions that don't cause overreactions. That's the idea, anyway.
People are so damn ignorant, it's BONKERS! Vaccines were created for a REASON! Human life expectancy rose dramatically thanks to the brilliant invention of vaccines. It frustrates me because the refusal of vaccines doesn't just hurt the individual refusing, but the entire community with disease.
Neanderthals lifetime only extended into their 30s. Health nuts will say they died because of animal attack but they also died because they didn't have the medicine and the ability to heal those animal attacks and other items we have cars that kill people too
Actually, they're just stupid. I think it was George Carlin that said "The average American isn't all that bright. The scary part is that half of them are dumber than that."
There were also far fewer humans and far less mobility, so if there was an outbreak, it was naturally contained and fewer people died. Today, 1000s can be in contact before we even know there is a problem, and there are quicker mutations. It's complicated even for an educated person to understand.
Last count Homo Sapiens have been extant for over 300,000 years and without antibiotics, etc, they most likely died of blood poisoning. Look it up, it is one of the worst ways to die.
So yeah, Science good, ignorance very, very bad. I don't know why it needs saying.
Gallop has been taking a poll since 1960, and the finding has been consistent. 40% of US citizens believe the Universe is 10K years old or less, not 13.8 billion years (new studies want that increased).
So for some 40% think science is so wrong because, BIBLE.
The average life span may have been 42, but it wasn’t because people died of old age at 42. It was because a helluva lot of 3-year-olds died. Kinda skews the average.
GRIM Fairy Tales
Hansel and Gretel is the story of two children left out in the forest to die, because there wasn't enough food. Leaving children to die or selling them was a well documented practice.
Consumption = TB. Ppl here in the USSA don’t routinely get vaxxed for TB. Ik other countries do, but not here. Idk y either. Why they don’t vax for TB here.
Back a few generations (in my family records), "consumption" was a generic cause for death. A lot of relatives actually died of colds/flu and pneumonia (of course, there were no vaccines for flu & pneumonia back then), but they also lived in less sanitary conditions. Tough living conditions.
With people like Mikel the human race won’t survive much https://longer.ps the evangelical
Bible says humans have only been around a few thousand years
None whatsoever. Edward Jenner, with the smallpox vaccine, allowed American frontier families to have big families to help on the farm. Allowed my parents to have 12 kids. Though we were sharecroppers, we were vaccinated.
It's both better and worse than that. Nature wants about half of us to die by our second birthday, and the rest to make it to 55-75.
The 1900 conditional probabilities P(live to age N | live to age 2) aren't _that_ much worse than the modern P(live to age N). Just... lots and lots of dead infants.
What’s also annoying is that the person asking this question is vaccinated.
Colonel Vaccine Jessup: I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the very blanket of freedom that I provide and questions the manner in which I provide it!
Noteworthy: Life expectancy in the 18th century hadn't changed materially since the Neolithic era. Increases beginning mid-19th century are mainly attributable to improved sewerage systems. Penicillin was discovered in 1928 but large-scale production of antibiotics didn't occur until the 1940s.
In those days, young girls were allowed to marry and reproduce before they were even teenagers -- They reproduced in order to create free labor and work the farms
There was no way out - You couldn't marry out of your station/status - You were usually confined to the property for life
Bubonic plague, aka The Black Death (1346-1353), one of the most fatal pandemics in human history, took the lives of as many as 50 million people, approximately 50% of Europe's
14th-century population.
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GOP hates that you live longer to collect your pensions.
Split in half. So yes, vaccines work. Per Gates from a talk show last week. US government withdrawal is so egregious. 😥
Jack Schatt. I wonder if there's a creek named after him - you know - always running off at the mouth.
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Look up leeches, they can still be useful in medical settings.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/leeches-and-maggots-are-fda-approved-and-still-used-in-modern-medicine
Just pump ‘em out and depend on volume…
He's answered, the kids died, so people had twice as many of them to let some survive.
The good old days when the smallest scratch could lead to a life threatening infection.
Plague and cholera…and the long fight to understand and implement hygiene
Maybe dude wants to go back to windowless hovels and open sewage
The other side of the bed.
Our attitude towards sex is worse than puritan, even puritans copulated in the presence of their other children
The oldest of my generation still living is 71, youngest 55.
So many early deaths.
We have a small cemetery in town. There are entire families buried there. Back then, they included age at death on the tombstones.
Emily Jones 3 months 1 week & 4 days. Next to that
1/3
2 yrs. 4 mo, 10 days next to them, Sarah Jones 21 yrs, 7 mo. & 26 days
Back then, when one family member got measles, they ALL got measles, whooping cough, etc.
And many members of the same family died
Those tombstones are all
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I didn't need to go into such detail 😅
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`I was nervous to move there cuz they had a rep for being 'cold'~but they were so cool~
US supports Iran 🇮🇷
MLB likes Pete Rose 🥀
“Before the measles vaccine was developed in 1963, major epidemics of the disease occurred every two or three years. More than 2.6 million people died from the measles every year until vaccination for the disease became widespread.”
What does that even mean?
Intelligence is needed. To many weirdo SCI fakes out there spouting stupidest shit. Caring about worse.
Half the kids died before age 5. There are many cultures that don’t give kids names until age ten or so, because I guess it just wasn’t worth getting attached to them before that…
I will never understand how anyone thinks vaccines, especially long-used, proven-effective vaccines, “don’t work”.
They had more kids and found another wife
So yeah, Science good, ignorance very, very bad. I don't know why it needs saying.
So for some 40% think science is so wrong because, BIBLE.
Might have something to do with this.
Hansel and Gretel is the story of two children left out in the forest to die, because there wasn't enough food. Leaving children to die or selling them was a well documented practice.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansel_and_Gretel
Bible says humans have only been around a few thousand years
The 1900 conditional probabilities P(live to age N | live to age 2) aren't _that_ much worse than the modern P(live to age N). Just... lots and lots of dead infants.
Colonel Vaccine Jessup: I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the very blanket of freedom that I provide and questions the manner in which I provide it!
There was no way out - You couldn't marry out of your station/status - You were usually confined to the property for life
which, by definition, means more women died attempting to have more kids.
but fuck it, the men were fine and it meant they got to find a new wife, so... what's the problem, eh?
14th-century population.
#HistoryIsOurFriend