My gripe - they aren't pro-life. They're anti-choice.
If they were pro-life, they'd support maternal, neo-natal, and early childhood health and care.
They want to dominate, using 'religion' as their cudgel - just like Jesus taught. It's about power and control.
But apparently, you can be Christian and not want to take care of those children once they’re born or you can be Christian and not care how many of children are mowed down in classrooms so that you Christians can have your guns. Because we know that God said guns are more important than children
I strongly disagree with this person. I am Christian, and I am also pro-choice.
Part of following Christ's teachings is understanding that every person is on their own path and that path is God and God alone's to judge. She should be minding her own damn path.
Plenty of Christians don't believe abortion is sinful. It all depends on which sect you follow. If they all believed the same, there wouldn't be so many sects to choose from.
Sometimes it takes me time to think how I want to address something that I feel needs addressing. When someone really gets me angry, I turn away from that person. I believe that is OK. It isn't easy but it is how I cope these days particularly.
Nope, never met one yet that knew how to mind they’re own business. They think it’s they’re fucking duty to shove their beliefs down everyone’s throats
The bible only gives instructions on how to do an abortion. It says nothing else. Nothing. They make this shit up as they go along, always have and always will. Its about control.
Abortion also includes DNC’son ectopic pregnancies. 200,000 women per year in the US that could die without healthcare which the law does not permit now. You now have to live with blood on your hands for supporting the loss of our rights.
Or to go to SCOTUS for the right to violate EMTALA to refuse to treat pregnant women in life-threatening emergencies. To literally watch them die. Not Christian at all.
false: you who is without sin should cast the 1st stone.. Being a hypocrite claiming you are a follower of jesus is a sin... Do "Not be as the Hypocrites"
-dons history nerd hat- Well... for the majority of the Early Medieval Period (Commonly: Dark Ages) most of Europe was still pagan. The idea of a Dark Age was constructed later, by the Church, to justify its political existence. "See how bad it was when we are not the official kingmakers in Europe?"
Interesting. I've always said you can't be a Christian and a Trump supporter. Unless, of course, the Ten Commandments are too woke now. Adultery, lying, and stealing are just a few of the ways Trump violates them. He is antithetical to the tenets of the faith.
Ask the fundies to identify the dozens of places where the Bible says that the penalty shall be death and to explain where God wa wrong. They'll stammer, "Those are Old Testament directives." Not all of them are.
Then, ask, "Since OT is not important, can we ignore the 10 commandments?" Oh, no.
Can I be a Christian and support taking food, medical care, housing, immunizations from people? Can I be a Christian and support putting the love of money and profits over the lives of people? Being pro-life is NOT pro-birth, so as Christians let’s be more like Jesus and less hypocritical!
I would argue with New Testament evidence that you can't be anti-immigrant, anti free healthcare, anti feeding the hungry, and a Christian, but they don't like to talk about what Jesus actually did and said.
The Bible says women are property created from a rib. The virgins are worth more than the non-virgins(aprox. 3 goats and 4 foreskins). The Bible is also full of rape and incest. Nice religion they have there.
I had a "conversation" with one of these KKKristians and she told me that there is a verse where Jesus specially says to judge people!! hahahaha These people are so F'd and beyond help!
there is actually a story about Abortion in the Bible
A woman supposedly had an affair and got pregnant. The priest gave her "bitter water" and said if the baby was her husband's the baby would live. If the baby wasn't, it would die and scar her womb so she couldn't have any more. Abortion??
You realize these are parables and a fantasy book, right?? These were made to tell "stories" - not to give ANYONE to dictate what another woman does. BUT - these KKKristians are into DO WHAT I TELL YOU BS - while the MAGAs are getting knocked up before marriage (aka LEVITT)
No, it's a book of history and morals. I respect folks opinion who aren't Christians, you should respect mine as a Christian. Especially since on this thread I've done nothing but fight for your right to have that opinion. Christians like me are the ones that will keep this out of schools and govt
You do you, Chrissy I am use to you FAKE christians and your feigned outrage. I took religious studies so I could go on for hours with you - but guess what you aren't reachable or worth it. You decided to write on this thread -so I am not sure your point. It's NOT history, boo!
I think there is an argument to be made there. I typically don't just because it's easier to say it's silent instead of going down a path of distraction arguing over this particular interpretation.
It's just easier to refute all their bogus attempts.
But it’s perfectly ok to do unspeakable sexual things to children in your churches, creating f’ed up adults who do unspeakable things, as long as you pay the parents off for doing said unspeakable things?🤨 Christians are disgusting!
These Trump worshipping "Christians" have absolutely no idea what a Christian is. They don't love their enemies, they hurt the poor and hungry, and they push the stranger back into danger. Oh and the Bible says absolutely nothing about abortions.
God and Jesus also don't love their enemies, or care about thd poor and hungry, jesus says to those he "never knew" to depart from him and sends them to hell.
How about we rescue Jesus from Christo Fascists who have more in common with Augustus & his tyrannical, oppressive, subjugating, exploitative, extractive violent Rome than the view of a man called Jesus on other side of Mediterranean whose teachings spooked Rome? https://pastordawn.com/2019/12/12/the-story-of-jesus-birth-is-a-subversive-parable-2/
I'd like Victoria to show me what Bible passage states I can't be a Christian and support a woman trying to get an abortion.
I'd also like to meet some "pro-abortion" people. I don't think most people look forward to abortions. I know someone that was devastated but the pregnancy wasn't viable.
While a baby is connected to its mother via umbilical cord, it does not breathe. So if the "breath of life" is required, an unborn foetus CAN NOT receive the breath of life because it has no respiration. Therefore an unborn foetus CAN NOT be alive before it is born and the umbilical cord is severed.
The bible itself provides instructions on how to conduct abortions, and normalizes their use.
Numbers 5:27
"[...] When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse."
The bible is also full of normalization of the concept of "doing bad things for the greater good".
Just take Jesus. Something abhorrent was forced onto him without his consent - for the greater good, for all of humanity. And this is only one of many stories & normalizations in the bible like that.
So by definition in the bible, doing bad things for a good/better/more desirable result is totally justifiable.
On the other hand, if you base your moral and ethical principles on non-religious authority, then humanism and science are the authorities to consult about matters like this.
Abortion was widely practiced during the times that the Bible was written. If it were actually against Christianity, ONE of those writers would have mentioned it, don't you think? I have absolutely zero respect for Christians at this point.
I’m an American who has an obedience to a Constitution that mandates absence of religion in political decision making before I am religious. If I wanted to live in one I’d move to Armenia or with ISIS
Let’s try Christianity and lying, cheating, killing, raping, and a whole bunch of other crap TFG and his so called Christian supporters do daily so if someone needs an abortion the phoney Christian can go to hell.
Pedophilia is the founding act of the Christian faith. Yalls entire story starts with an authority figure coercing a 12 year old girl into being his child surroget
But it's ok to rape & sexually assault, punish the poor, disparage veterans, commit crimes, don't feed hungry children/families, kidnap people off the streets, threaten anyone who's holding you accountable for your 7 deadly sins. I don't think Jesus would approve of that particular Christianity.
Yes. On the rhetoric, the equivocation of terms in this case relates to the phrase "pro-abortion," which can mean one would have an abortion oneself but can also mean one supports others having that choice (even one opposes and would not have one oneself). Conservatives are always about word play.
"Pro-abortion" is not about forcing those opposed to abortion on religious or moral grounds to have one; it's about acknowledging the complex ethical issues involving the status of the fetus, a woman's right to bodily autonomy, and leaving the decision to the women involved.
But of course conservatives know this quite well, and as always they try to use word play, misleading rhetoric to suppress the real issues and positions to manipulate others into doing their bidding. They're incorrigible in their insincerity and falseness.
Honestly, all abrahamic religions. They are all pretty fucking horrible. Nothing ideoligically good came out of the region in the last 2000 years, just devision and hate for fellow humans. Look whats going on there this very second.
Every religious person is only one god away from being atheist, they have already rejected all the other godly options avaliable to be brainewashed by.
And (again) it's not "pro-abortion." It's "pro-choice." It's the belief that the pregnant woman is the ONLY one with the right to make the decision, and no politician or preacher has the right to decide FOR her.
Given how often God sanctions, nay, demands abortions and the slaughter of children, I have to dispute that claim. Plus, if God is responsible for Nature, he needs to address spontaneous miscarriages with her. She’s performing abortions. So sick of these performative fakers.
But its ok to abuse employees, rape, cause insurrection, cheat people of their pensions, eliminate human rights, hate immigrants, trans people........!!???? WTF!
By the way, nowhere in the Bible does it mention, let alone condemen, abortion...but loads on love, compassion, mercy, community, hope
Well, since it's getting to the point that it's more embarrassing to say that your a Christian than that your either pro-life or pro-choice, I guess it's "compatibility" doesn't really matter, does it?
If you’re a Christian you should understand this a private decision
by women after much private reflection, private thought, and perhaps private prayer with her maker. So just don't. Its private.
The bible is very much for abortion. From the bitter water that induces a miscarriage to the wars where it is expected to cut babies from the females of your enemies and dash their brains against the rocks. I swear, sheep need to read their book. Stop trying to force half made up crap on everyone.
Amazing how professing Christians don't practice what Jesus literally said/taught, "judge not, that ye be not judged" from the sermon on the mount. IMAGINE what the world would be like if everyone followed Jesus' teachings instead of passing judgement on each other.
Something, something “cast the first stone”. But that would involve MAGA Christians following the words of Jesus and we pretty much know they don’t do that anymore. Like at all.
Russell Moore did an interview with the Bulwark where they pretty much came right out and said it. American conservative evangelicals (the maga ones) have just outright removed Jesus from their religion as anything but a mascot
The Knesset Labor Welfare and Health Committee on Monday approved new regulations aimed at making it easier for women to get an abortion by removing some of the procedures required, opening up broader and simplified options for those seeking to end a pregnancy.
My “Mind Your Own Business” hat from the campaign, is my favorite. “You can’t call yourself a Christian!” And?!Of course anyone can but it’s not a highly sought after title.
What kind of club does she think she belongs too?And why would anyone in their right mind,want to join a club with her in it?
Can you be Christian and support the death penalty? Can you be Christian and support the cuts being made to SS and Healthcare in the USA? Today's Christianity is nothing more than hypocrisy and is a tool used by those in power to drive through theor demented policies.
Does the bible even MENTION abortion?
When the bible was written, it was commonly held that life began at first breath, so abortion as we think about it wasn’t really a thing.
But dear Victoria you can't be a Christian and back the felon, false god and golden calf that Jesus would have thrown out of the temple in spite of what your so-called pastor tells you.
I’m a Christian and I know God gives us free way. Some people free will helps them to make such an important decision. It’s no one’s business what you do with your own body.
I thought god forgives sins. I mean, I know these people worship false idols, are hypocrites (Jesus’ primary enemy), do not honor the sabbath, they lie, they’re adulterers, etc., but somehow THEY get to be Christians and their sins are forgiven, but not others?
No where in the Bible does it say life begins at conception. 2,000 years ago, they had no idea what conception was. Adam came to life at first breath (Gen. 2:7) and the rest of us too.
In 37 States of the Continental United States. It is permitted that with 1 Parents Consent a 15 year old girl can marry an Adult male over 21 years. If that girl was to Toast the Union with alcohol. She could be Arrested for under age consumption of alcohol.
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Because you know… women been getting pregnant since the dawn of time, and not wanting to get stoned for being unmarried, or getting pregnant after their husband just died or while he’s away at war.
My biggest grievance w/the idea of being Christian and anti-abortion is that they platform it under the commandment of “Thou shalt not kill”. Ok fine, I’ll play. So are they also against: war? The death penalty, no matter the crime? If not, then it’s bullshit hypocrisy.
My biggest grievance is that after Moses brought down the tablets, Jewish law still allowed the practice of abortion so obviously the 6th commandment did not apply, and during the time of Jesus both Roman & Jewish law allowed abortion. There's NO Biblical support to oppose abortion. It's propaganda.
Yes. I watched a video on YT by a theologian about it in Bible. In ancient Jewish law, if a pregnant woman loses a fetus as a result of a crime, the perpetrator would have to compensate the father for the loss. Not charged for a murder. The fetus was considered as property of the father. Not a life.
Withholding vaccinations to kids by suspending USAID?
Sending people to foreign slave prisons without evidentiary hearings, and PAYING THEM to accept delivery?
TBF: the RC church *is* against 100% war and the death penalty (and IVF). So I will grant that at least the dogma (if not their actual bishops!) is sorta-consistent.
If our Jewish brothers say that life doesn’t begin until the person takes its first breath, where do Christians get their theology that life begins at conception?
Ok. But, what do they do about it? Do they just shrug when there’s a school shooting and say, “that’s just the cost of the 2A and my right to protect?”
"You should not kill" That doesn't preclude killing during war time. The commandment applies to me. I can conscript young men to go off and do the killing for me. Death penalty, I am not killing anyone that is the executioner who I got to trade eternal damnation for silver to buy earthly comforts.
Then YOU make that choice- you are not the self appointed keeper of the public trust. You do you and stop laying it on others. You have the choice to or not to…no where does it say impose on others the choice you make.
And they don’t seem to mind killing pregnant people. In fact, they’re gleeful about it. I guess women aren’t people to them. Or life, for that matter. Just an “earthen vessel,” an object to break at will.
1. I don't believe in abortions so I won't have one
2. I understand that not everyone has my beliefs so I fight for their beliefs
3. Sometimes, it's needed to save the mother's life. Our rights don't end where a fetus's begins
4. I pay for my sins not yours or theirs
5. Respect all
Isn’t there a plant based recipe for an abortion potion in their magic book? Are they also against: War, School Shootings, Death Penalties, Stand your ground laws? These fucks are so inconsistent.
In my experience, no. Christians (esp evangelicals) believe their belief compels them to stick their nose in everyone’s business. (While they do whatever the F they want)
It’s very telling that the evangelicals didn’t care about abortion until they started losing segregation cases. It has always been about power and control; who gets to plan their life and who I trapped in poverty.
How bout being a "Christian" and refusing to help the poor? Spew hatred at foreigners? Discriminate and punish those different from you? The list quite long. Hypocrisy defined.
Can she point to the passage in Scripture where it says "thou shalt not abort"?
Spoiler: no, she can't.
For that matter, there are some passages that indicate termination of a fetus could be accepted and allowed. But she won't have read the Book closely enough to have seen them.
Can you be Christian without reading the bible to discover life begins at first breath as stated in Genesis 2:7? Or that the bible gives direction on when and how to have abortions in Numbers 5:11-31?
Or how often the pro life god killed its people, including infants?gtfoh with lies.
I thought Christianity was about redemption? Has that been got rid of. I have had an abortion myself and I wouldn't touch the so called Christian church with a barge pole. Full of hypocrites and misogynist.
Well, a) that's his opinion - though it's a bit hard to reconcile that apparently "God" thinks it's ok to abort 1/3 of them, and b) how does this apply to the rest of us? Oh, c) exactly where does it say this? Also, FFS, until very recently, infant mortality was about 50% to 70%. So... he can GFH.
Also, according to the bible, life beings at first breath, so...
7 Then the Lord God formed a man[a] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7
I think abortion and Christianity do not have a conflict of interest...
Honestly tho, the xtian bible should have nothing to do with an individual’s rights, healthcare, or the government. Not all of us embrace religion & it’s our right.
Another hideous, demonic trumptard dangerously obsessed with a mere clump of cells while gladly justifying and undermining the suffering of live humans🤡
But you can be a Christian and condone the bombing of an apartment building in Yemen. The rest of the world needs to be aware that the US is once again at war because it still sees itself as the righter of wrongs. New flash, the US is a contributor and complicit in these creation of these wrongs.
Sure you can. I was raised Christian and my body spontaneously aborted 4 times which required medical attention.
Sometimes abortion is not a choice but a medical need.
Amen to that! They are incapable of minding their own business. The Bible doesn’t say anything about abortion anyway. It’s just another example of them tacking their own agenda onto God’s and pretending like it’s His. They make me sick.
Seriously, I’d love for someone to ever show me where in the Bible it says anything about abortion, I know ALL about Jesus, he def would’ve been cool with it.
Sorry I hate talking religion on here. I just feel the need to point out how ridiculous the Christian Nationalists are and that most of the stuff they scream and cry about doesn’t have anything to do with God or the Bible. Just like their war on trans people. Okay I’m done. 😊
Yeah it actually hurts my brain and maybe my soul a little the disconnect between “so called Christian’s” and what they preach vs the objective truth of the way the Bible says you should live your life. There are stark differences.
I don’t know if he’d have been cool with it but I’m sure he was aware of it and he didn’t make it one of the Ten Commandments just like there’s nothing about being gay in the Ten Commandments. Kind of ironic that adultery is but they don’t ever talk about that one. 😕
Yeah maybe, I feel like kicking it with prostitutes that would’ve come up maybe, people had at least some access to some form of birth control way back.
I think the only thing it says is that if a man hurts a woman while she is pregnant and causes her to lose the baby he’s not at fault. Also people might say abortion wasn’t around back then but they have had potions and meds for abortion since ancient Egypt at least.
That’s crazy! I mean different times but damn, smack your woman so hard she loses the baby?! Fuck out of here that’s abuse to the highest degree 😂 that’s what I’m saying though these ppl cling to these many thousand years old words like it’s still relevant.
I just responded to her on Threads as well. The one thing I'm always irritated about is them using the phrase "pro-abortion." No one is pro-abortion. No one is cheering people to have abortions. But, the government should not be in the business of telling women whether to have one or not.
I am pro abortion in the sense that I don’t want people who are pregnant against their will or by accident to be forced to have a baby. I am pro freedom of choice.
That's exactly the reason why it's disingenuous to use the term pro-abortion. The phrase gets distorted into people thinking you're all for people having abortions...the more the merrier, when that's not the case. It's pro-choice...or anti-government control.
I am a proud Christian. Christian to me means be Christ like. And I don’t judge any one for their actions. That is not my place that is between them and their god not me.
Christian means in the path of Christ. It does not mean in the self serving interpretations of many, many authors, often conflicting, over the course of centuries. Jesus Christ said not one word for or against abortion. Everything claimed in his name about abortion is pure fiction.
You cannot support this administration and claim that you are Christian. Stopping USAID shipments of food and medicine + defunding NIH + defunding USDA food bank support will result in millions of deaths…
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If they were pro-life, they'd support maternal, neo-natal, and early childhood health and care.
They want to dominate, using 'religion' as their cudgel - just like Jesus taught. It's about power and control.
Part of following Christ's teachings is understanding that every person is on their own path and that path is God and God alone's to judge. She should be minding her own damn path.
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You can be Christian (even a youth pastor) and not rape children 👀
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Then, ask, "Since OT is not important, can we ignore the 10 commandments?" Oh, no.
A woman supposedly had an affair and got pregnant. The priest gave her "bitter water" and said if the baby was her husband's the baby would live. If the baby wasn't, it would die and scar her womb so she couldn't have any more. Abortion??
It's just easier to refute all their bogus attempts.
Loving your enemies is a common, recurring theme in the New Testament. I can see you've never bothered to pick it up.
https://pastordawn.com/2019/12/12/the-story-of-jesus-birth-is-a-subversive-parable-2/
https://unapologetics.org/2020/01/18/abortion-is-ok-god/
-- George Carlin
I'd also like to meet some "pro-abortion" people. I don't think most people look forward to abortions. I know someone that was devastated but the pregnancy wasn't viable.
You either accept scientific fact, or you accept religious scripture.
Genesis 2:7
"And the lord god formed man of the dust of the ground, and BREATHED INTO HIS NOSTRILS THE BREATH OF LIFE; and man became a living soul."
Numbers 5:27
"[...] When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse."
Just take Jesus. Something abhorrent was forced onto him without his consent - for the greater good, for all of humanity. And this is only one of many stories & normalizations in the bible like that.
On the other hand, if you base your moral and ethical principles on non-religious authority, then humanism and science are the authorities to consult about matters like this.
I mean, any REAL mother would unalive themselves for their child, right? They as humans don’t matter in any way.
If you cannot tolerate abortion, don’t have one.
I cannot tolerate proud, open racists, so I don’t live in Florida.
Women should absolutely have the right to choose
God made us all in his image, and therefore he implicitly supports it
Don’t let these flawed mortals deceive you about the word of God
God supports women, why don’t christians?
We are however pro choice because most of us know how to mind our own damn business.
Women have the right to own themselves.
By the way, nowhere in the Bible does it mention, let alone condemen, abortion...but loads on love, compassion, mercy, community, hope
by women after much private reflection, private thought, and perhaps private prayer with her maker. So just don't. Its private.
I know what Jesus what have said about trump, does she?
Israel has expanded eligibility for state-funded abortions to women between ages 20 and 33 for any reason
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-eases-access-to-abortion-canceling-key-decades-old-mandatory-formalities/
What kind of club does she think she belongs too?And why would anyone in their right mind,want to join a club with her in it?
was still a Christian at the time had no choice but to get a termination as I begged them to save the baby
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They're anti-female. It's nothing to do with abortion, but everything to do with oppression.
When the bible was written, it was commonly held that life began at first breath, so abortion as we think about it wasn’t really a thing.
https://goodfaithmedia.org/was-the-southern-baptist-convention-ever-pro-choice/
Legal age drinking 21st birthday.
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Sending people to foreign slave prisons without evidentiary hearings, and PAYING THEM to accept delivery?
Actual living, breathing human beings are disposable, according to them.
There are too many fake Christians who just don't pay attention.
1. I don't believe in abortions so I won't have one
2. I understand that not everyone has my beliefs so I fight for their beliefs
3. Sometimes, it's needed to save the mother's life. Our rights don't end where a fetus's begins
4. I pay for my sins not yours or theirs
5. Respect all
~And ye shall send them thoughts and prayers whilst lamenting loudly about the abomination of mental health services.
Spoiler: no, she can't.
For that matter, there are some passages that indicate termination of a fetus could be accepted and allowed. But she won't have read the Book closely enough to have seen them.
Or how often the pro life god killed its people, including infants?gtfoh with lies.
7 Then the Lord God formed a man[a] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7
I think abortion and Christianity do not have a conflict of interest...
That is the whole point of:
“So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” Matthew 22:21
Jesus flat out told peeps: "Hey, government shit and church shit... yeah, they don't mix."
So very Christian of them.
Sometimes abortion is not a choice but a medical need.
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How long before MAGA gives handguns out before the kid gets a SS card.
Also just the simple fact that all this Christian judgment is completely antithetical to their “rules for living.”