What do you expect from the mastermind behind the establishment coalescing around Biden in 2020 after Bernie once again showed he was the President the people want? These folks will only opposed Trump until it risks opposing the establishment, then it's all hands on deck to maintain the status quo.
you say this cos Dems aren't cynical cruel criminal cheats?
Are you suggesting they be more like Reps?
How the actual fuck does that bring balance to debate?
Or are you OK with the forthcoming dictatorship?
Clyburn is out of touch with the people now. That's a damn shame. He was able to get Biden elected the first time and failed this go round. You'd think he would realize he's no longer relevant, and criminals like trump shouldn't get away with all their crimes. Letting the rich get away with
Everything is what got us into this bloody mess. Had we held them all accountable on January 7th, none of this shit would be happening. So he can save us his self-righteous indignation. These asshole billionaires need to be held accountable. Rant over.
If white-collar had been held accountable for decades now, Trump would have been prosecuted for fraud & money laundering WAY before he was in politics. So many others...
The big pharma ordered him to push for the gangster’s pardon. He’s always worked for health insurance corporations. He got Biden nominated. The threat of Bernie and #Medicare4All was not too much for the Dems sell outs. None of them work for us!
The worst part of this is that it would even further embolden the trumpaholic cult to demand we treat their stupid selves the same way and forgive them all of their crimes & transgressions against other Americans. This is a hideously bad & delusional idea that cannot achieve anything good.
There are Centrist Dems who are parroting this mindset and they need to be relegated to baking cookies for the troops, no matter their gender. Anyone enabling Rs at this point is either out of their mind or too rich for their own safety.
How about pardoning the people Trump just said he’s going to go after, the January 6th committee?!! And many others! What the actual fuck is this suggestion
I think Clyburn agrees with you. He’s just taking it way too far with his call to pardon Trump.
He’s also **wrong** that SCOTUS “preemptively pardoned” all presidents; they drew a distinction between illegal *personal* behavior 👎 and *official* behavior 👍 that falls under a president’s duties.
2/ I just don’t buy Clyburn’s argument that Biden should do this to prevent disruptions within our government. A sitting POTUS can’t be indicted (DOJ policy + it will be Trump’s DOJ 😂), so what is Clyburn even talking about? Impeachment? A pardon doesn’t stop that if Dems want to pursue it.
3/ Is Clyburn worried about state charges? — No (he specifically says what we all know; a federal pardon doesn’t stop states from indicting a POTUS, current or former).
I don’t know what Clyburn is even talking about. His argument sucks. How will not issuing a Trump pardon cause gov’t disruptions?
Yep, they calculated post-election and think capitulation is the way, appeasement over opposition. Just like Chamberlin. How is it that history is repeating?
Yeah.
I didn't need to learn what happened in 1939 Germany by living through a new example of it. I have recognized the same techniques used then being used now by Trump & his allies. It appears humans only learn how do the evil things from history instead of learning how to prevent them.
That's crazy. The country never was the same after Nixons pardon. Pardoning Trump would be the biggest stain on this country, and ruin Biden's successful career. Don't do it, @JoeBiden, it's a ludicrous idea.
He's an outdated dinosaur.
They will take your license when you get old if you become a threat to safely drive. I don't understand why the same rules can't apply to politicians.
This is a problem that runs through the core of the Democratic party, conflict aversion to the point of abject cowardice. They are the Neville Chamberlains (Nevilles Chamberlain?) of our time, and they sell it under the auspices of "it's time to move on." No, MF, it's not. Not while T's in power.
I am surprised about the fact that people are not in the streets protesting. Is everyone busy shopping, and full of Turkey?
The MAGA heads at least know how to demonstrate, storm the capitol etc. but I do not see much middle-class resistance and spark.
We are lazy in the West. #resist
Neville found his courage but I fear that America’s democratic leadership never will. We say “we want to feel safe, to know you actually stand with us” they say “too bad”.
Absolutely No. He tried to OVERTHROW the election. He and his cronies tried to manipulate the election via the legal to overthrow the will of the people. He still says election was stolen, undermining public trust in America. He’s okay with this one because he won. And classified documents. Etc.
Yes, complicit in their inability to stand up for America and fight this incoming administration. Doing nothing is just as destructive as actively promoting the oligarchs that are about to take up residence in the WH, to be commonly known as Trump's "Den of Thieves."
Democrats better learn - fast - how to play this game. Who would this "clean slate" benefit?" Would trump pardon Biden? Absolutely nobody will be impressed by the pardon and frankly, it makes Democrats look spineless when they should be taking no prisoners. Imo, of course..🤦♀️
There’s nothing to pardon President Biden for, of course, but if the shoe was on the other foot? Absolutely not.
🍊 has already spent years persecuting the Biden family, out of pure spite.
🍊should spend the last years of his life in prison. Period.
Any other offender would already be there..
He’s afraid of Trump and the Thugs! Elon Musk is Using His Platform to Threaten and Bully People!!! No one wants to be Murdered!!! Imprison Or Have FBI Messing Up Their Lives! Trump Will use the Justice Department as a Weapon! In the End Truth Matters and People Will Shout It Out.
NO, the twice-impeached CRIMINALLY SEDITIOUS TRAITOR and LIFELONG FRAUDSTER ANTICHRIST FORMER GRIFTER-IN-CHIEF LOSER POS FELON SHOULD NEVER BE PARDONED!!
Ford pardoning Nixon is what got us here.
They should find EVERY LEGAL WAY to PREVENT HIM from TAKING OFFICE.
“Ford pardoning Nixon is what got us here.”
💯 THIS. I could not understand the problem with pardoning Nixon at the time, but I was 13, & raised by old-school Rs in such an R town that Nixon came down our Main St. in 1968.
Grateful for my 7th grade teachers who had us watch the Watergate hearings every day in class.
Grateful also for the group of Ds who not only turned my hometown leadership D, but helped elect Sen. Andy Kim.
Yes, I feel like there’s something going on here. Perhaps he was paid off perhaps he’s being threatened. I don’t know there’s a reason they picked him.
Why would anyone voluntarily say this?
The people that died due to Jan 6th & Covid the people that were harassed, threatened, will lose their government jobs, insurance, Medicare, SS, the businesses that went under, the division of people, selling us out to Russia, stealing elections etc etc all day f no!
F*ck that! He is a fgn monster! How long til we can watch him wee wee wee all the way home to Moscow like Assad? The fgn fascist bully boy... 🤬 I wish disgruntled republicans had better aim 😈😜
In all due respect sir. Shit up about pardoning that orange Cheeto! He does not deserve it and it will not serve any good purpose or favors. These democrats piss me off with this crap.
What they're (Dems) not realizing is, that it doesn't matter what they do, Trump's gonna blame them for everything anyway and continue to break laws. Trump does not care about anyone or anything. He's a criminal narcissist and huge pile of streaming shit.
I’ve been a Democratic voter for my whole life, I have come to the conclusion Democrats don’t have the ability to fight back and their communication skills to voters are bad. I thought Harris/Walz did a great job. I heard nothing from my congresswoman & Casey’s campaign was pathetic ( Eastern PA)
What their logic is if Biden pardons Trump then Trump would stop the threats on everyone else. That's not going to work. They're dealing with a narcissist not someone with reasoning. They don't get over what they think is betrayal. Ever! The wounded little boy in him is not going to let up .
When you're dealing with these type of personality types, you have to get out of your own way of thinking, and put yourself in their way of thinking. that's the problem. When you are genuinely a good person MANY times it's hard to see the psychopathology in others. Pay attention. He IS who he is
I also feel like it hits different. I get that. Senator Thompson knows better. You're not gonna "kill them with kindness." That's been our problem for a very long time in the left. We think being kind and rational will fix this.
Not when dealing with fanatics, and MAGA is a cult. Nothing less.
In the 70's and 80's the airlines had a policy to always appease hijackers to save as many lives as possible. Since 9/11, that is no longer the policy. The pilot is to NEVER give up the plane, even if they are killing one per minute in the back. We need to update our policy.
He is also a traitor, a seditiois conspirator and an insurrectionist who cannot legally hold any office of public trust....
We are seeing the largest case of seditious conspiracy and political corruption ever seen on earth..and no one cares..
I still don't understand why there wasn't the ability to stop him when he announced his campaign. The 14th amendment means he cannot legally hold office. So why was this allowed to happen? I can't make sense of a whole lot of what's been going on since 2015
No one can explain why this has been allowed to happen, there is no legally viable reason that he is being allowed to enter an office he cannot legally hold...
The only reason i can find is seditious conspiracy, he and his cronies are violating constitutional law from within the government.
No they realize this, they use “Trump might get mad at us, so we can’t” as an excuse to their base when they fuck their base, and they’re more concerned with fucking their base than winning, so they say it all the time.
This pisses me off too. The prick has gotten away with everything. Maybe they think that even with a clean slate Trump will still break the law. Then who does he blame? Not those who pardoned him. I still want him in prison, but our idiot people (not I) voted for the 🥭 prick and we're S.O.L.
Right there with you. I feel way too many in leadership are trying to give away our country nicely gift wrapped to the orange buffoon. It's enough to make you scream.
This proves there should be term limits as apparently Clyburn can’t even remember J6 when Stump had his cult attacked the WH killing police officers and they wonder why they lost in ‘24? NOT a single Republican would say this about Biden if the roles were reversed. Go home Clyburn and stay there.
Hell NO!!! Trump needs to be held accountable for once in his life. It’s funny how stupid he actually is yet with chest fully out, thinks he’s highly intelligent.
Absolutely the F not! After the backlash from republicans for pardoning his son? The harassment of him and his fmaoly by m*g* is not going to stop when Pres Biden leaves office. Let tru.. rot
Pardon a traitorous mysognist rapist who attempted to overthrow the government and stole classified documents? Pardon him? Seriously? The way to start over is to throw him in prison not the White House.
When did it all begin?
There has been a drip by drip lack of ACCOUNTABILITY for our elected representatives. Yes, with Ford's pardon.
Our founders would not have tolerated NO ACCOUNTIBILITY for an insurrection/coup!
We are no longer governed by the rule of law.
Totally agree. Jim Claiborne is out of his mind. Trump should be in prison now and not waiting to be sworn in. He is ruthlessly destroying our democracy.
So far, Trump‘s only punishment has been having to carry a label he desperately wants to get rid of – ie felon. If you pardon him, then he’s paid zero consequences.
This sounds like a preemptive surrender. Why do Dems roll out the red carpet of appeasement when we’ve got truth and numbers? Pardoning Trump only supercharges his ego and convinces him he’s bulletproof.
Grow a spine. #StandFearlesslyAndFightForOurDemocracy
I think the argument is that it would allow us all to “heal as a nation”…
I would argue the opposite. This wouldn't heal (and it didn't last time), this would divide even more.
With friend like this who needs enemies. Its no wonder the Democrats continue to lose critical elections. Fuck Trump. Put the ahole in prison. Problem solved.
Don't just share on this forum. But..how will he know how you feel? Tell Clyburn.
It only takes a few minutes and best of all..doesn't cost any money.
We don't need money in politics. We just need people to participate.
In 2023, ProPublica reported that Clyburn secretly worked with South Carolina Republicans during the 2020 Congressional redistricting process to dilute the state's Black vote.
Nah, nah representative Clydeburn that’s a bridge too far. He wouldn’t do it for you or President Biden. He’s gotten away with too much as it is. Remember what heartache Rudy put Ms. Freeman and Ms. Shay through. 👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾no no no no no
💯. Don't even get me started on older Dems' smearing of people who are still upset and furious over the genocide in Gaza as "getting Chinese funding" and "Hamas supporters"!
Right! I registered to vote shortly after Ford pardoned Nixon. Grew up in a GOP household but Watergate and particularly the pardon angered me so much when I turned 18 I registered Dem and never voted for a republican. Way to lose future Dem voters if Biden goes along with Clyburn.
If Trump is pardoned for stealing our nation’s secrets then EVERY person convicted of stealing our nation’s secrets must be pardoned. What’s fair for one is then fair for all.
Pardon the boot licking! ‘We folks say to Trump! Bend over and take it like a Mensch! No pardon given to Trump, as a parting gesture or welcome gift into the White House! My Lord give @housedemocrats.bsky.social @senatedemocrats.bsky.social a spinal tap!’ @morningjoe-msnbc.bsky.social
Why is this even remotely being discussed? We’re pardoning Trump now? Before he’s even sworn in? Enough. Truly, just stop. No one has asked the people of this country if that’s what they want. It’s obscene.
I reckon Imma have to log on to Twitter (hoc tu) to hear the comically criminal defense of this.
[turns to closeup camera]
'Why hast thou forsaken me, Jim?' 😄
In order for such a pardon TFG would have to those things. PUBLICLY. Admit his failings. PUBLICLY. Be contrite. PUBLICLY. A vow from him wouldn't be worth the electrons it would take to display it.
Publicly shaming this asshole would be about as good as it would get. Bringing them up again and again
/2 would be as undeniable as could get. Not perfect by any means but putting the emphasis on the guilt of these things could be all one could reasonably get.
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Care (right up until the donors don't like it)
Wave the right flag
Are you suggesting they be more like Reps?
How the actual fuck does that bring balance to debate?
Or are you OK with the forthcoming dictatorship?
He’s also **wrong** that SCOTUS “preemptively pardoned” all presidents; they drew a distinction between illegal *personal* behavior 👎 and *official* behavior 👍 that falls under a president’s duties.
To me, this sounds like Clyburn wanting to show that Dems are willing to play nice w/ Republicans and hoping the GOP will play nice.
Neither Trump, nor his DOJ, nor the GOP in general will play nice.
I don’t know what Clyburn is even talking about. His argument sucks. How will not issuing a Trump pardon cause gov’t disruptions?
President Biden has no need to pardon anyone, especially Dumpty.
I didn't need to learn what happened in 1939 Germany by living through a new example of it. I have recognized the same techniques used then being used now by Trump & his allies. It appears humans only learn how do the evil things from history instead of learning how to prevent them.
Thank you for your service Sir.
Clyburn needs to pull his corrupt head in.
They will take your license when you get old if you become a threat to safely drive. I don't understand why the same rules can't apply to politicians.
We need to get these mentally frozen bozos out of leadership ASAP, or what's left of our democracy won't last another 4 years.
Long time ago.
The parties are in cahoots, don't you see it!?
Don't you all FINALLY see it!?
Kamala thought appeasing to the right would get people to vote for her? That ignoring genocide was gonna work!?
Ignoring human rights, trans rights, and ONLY focus on the economy?
The MAGA heads at least know how to demonstrate, storm the capitol etc. but I do not see much middle-class resistance and spark.
We are lazy in the West. #resist
#antifascism
🍊 has already spent years persecuting the Biden family, out of pure spite.
🍊should spend the last years of his life in prison. Period.
Any other offender would already be there..
Check this guy's bank account. It doesn't pass the sniff check.
Ford pardoning Nixon is what got us here.
They should find EVERY LEGAL WAY to PREVENT HIM from TAKING OFFICE.
He BELONGS in PRISON for LIFE!!!
💯 THIS. I could not understand the problem with pardoning Nixon at the time, but I was 13, & raised by old-school Rs in such an R town that Nixon came down our Main St. in 1968.
Grateful also for the group of Ds who not only turned my hometown leadership D, but helped elect Sen. Andy Kim.
How many times do they have to show y'all before you get it?
What we see is what we see, we can't continue to make excuses for them.
Can't turn into Trump folks and just ignore the faults of our own team, right?
They had the power to end this, for 4 years, they didn't even try.
Why would anyone voluntarily say this?
Started with the RNC hack of 2016, who knows what Putin got from the dems either.
He gave Trump a whole bunch of kompromat on the GOP and turned them rather quickly.
Then see the delays from Garland, reassurances from dems, but then nothing!
Trump will always be a convicted felon.
But at this point I'm convinced Trump already died is just being animated by necromancy.
Lynchings spiked *after* the Confederates were pardoned. They became more committed to White Supremacy.
Brazil’s Bolsonaro faced swift justice & stopped agitating.
FFS
I’ll never understand
But he’s been face to face with the crazy & corrupt & thinks we should give them a pass
That hits different
Not when dealing with fanatics, and MAGA is a cult. Nothing less.
We are seeing the largest case of seditious conspiracy and political corruption ever seen on earth..and no one cares..
The only reason i can find is seditious conspiracy, he and his cronies are violating constitutional law from within the government.
This is why they need primaried to a one
Biden will pardon Trump, only to get a classic Trumpian backstab in return.
Bidens advisers those 1st 2 yrs,
He gave us Garland.
There has been a drip by drip lack of ACCOUNTABILITY for our elected representatives. Yes, with Ford's pardon.
Our founders would not have tolerated NO ACCOUNTIBILITY for an insurrection/coup!
We are no longer governed by the rule of law.
Exactly!
This is a tyrant, no amount of pardon will soothe him. He will still come after his enemies.
DO NOT PARDON
Grow a spine. #StandFearlesslyAndFightForOurDemocracy
I would argue the opposite. This wouldn't heal (and it didn't last time), this would divide even more.
It only takes a few minutes and best of all..doesn't cost any money.
We don't need money in politics. We just need people to participate.
https://www.nationalfinancialplan.com
Americans need to realize that congress doesn't work for them, it works for money, power, genocide.
Maybe they will see that Putin is weakened.
"Forgive him Father for he knew exactly what he was doing" crap
No? Then WTF Jim? Hard NO.
America deserves so much better than leaders who cave thinking it will temper Trump and his goons. Infuriating.
[turns to closeup camera]
'Why hast thou forsaken me, Jim?' 😄
Publicly shaming this asshole would be about as good as it would get. Bringing them up again and again