When will Starmer learn that no matter how good his Nigel Farage impression gets, it won't save him from wipeout at the hands of Reform? Here's another idea - how about doing the work that's needed to actually make people's lives better? 🧵
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Please run for sole leader, we urgently need someone who can actually oppose these people. I really think you could make a difference, and I do not think that about nay of your colleagues, who appear to be... severely flawed
2) This govt is actively making things worse - making it harder for people to come and work as carers when our caring sector is already stretched to breaking point. Instead we should improve pay and conditions for carers and make carer visas more flexible to reduce exploitation.
3) Ultimately, migration shouldn’t be managed by the same government department as crime and domestic security. It should be its own department - with a focus on community cohesion, infrastructure, and the country’s real economic needs.
One items that's often missed, even by Greens is the impact of the #ClimateCrisis on migration, which must be increasing significantly year-by-year from direct (famine/extreme weather) or indirect causes (e.g. conflict). We're heading towards a pan-global genocide in the decades to come.
Sounds like common sense. In which case it's unlikely to be applied under the present government which is too busy wasting time chasing Reform Ltd votes.
The Government could solve child poverty, reduce income inequality, meet the Greenhouse Gas emissions limits it has set itself and accelerate innovation to achieve net zero and make the UK a world leader in green technology.
Is it not a good idea to professionalise care and stop the shysters who are getting wealthy off the backs of low paid immigrants? As always the devil is in the detail,please read the bills .
So fix the system and then start issuing visas, not the other way round. Good that care worker visas have stopped. If it was children being exploited we wouldn't say keep doing it while we sort out the rules would we ? But no as long as my Mum/Dad has a Carer it's ok 🤔
Another one who loves the current system where "employers" are abusing the system, what is it you just love about immigrants being abused by these employers?
- Cut PIP and force disabled people into such mental strain they can't
- Damage the mental health of the trans community enough that many of us are off sick
- Encourage the foreign workforce to leave
In what way isn’t controling the labour supply sovereignty on Uk laws/rights making peoples lives better for them
Guess which political party was most opposed to the EC becoming the EU in 1989/92
It was the greens
Labour got 2m votes back off Ukip in 2017 when it accepted Brexit
He has lost me as a voter that’s for sure. Maybe immigration is too high & yes, businesses should be investing in training their workforces, however, the rhetoric is just disgusting. Not one word on the valuable contribution immigrants make to the country. Just fuelling the anti immigrant fires.
There has to be a visceral reaction not just a policy reaction. Starmer's pursuing a hard right to far right agenda. People need to call out his abusiveness and nastiness, personal greed, demanding attitudes, his abuse of public office, and the fact he pulled a Musk on Labour etc etc etc.
If people are voting Reform maybe they don't want any migration? Why are they voting Reform? I here a lot of 'it's a protest vote', but there's a distinct possibility there's a lot of racists here, just like the US.
Yep. Reality is we need to stop pretending that people who vote for Trump and reform etc don't want the nastiness. They're all for the nastiness of that politics.
Yep.. Made much harder to counter in that in many areas they are making an already bad situation worse....
Not intrinsically but because for whatever reason government decides to house a ton of migrants in an area but chooses not to boost local facilities to actually handle the extra population
Around 300 needless A&E deaths a week in England. The crisis in social care underpins this. Stopping care workers coming to the uk blends stupidity with racism.
I’m starting to think they can’t be that stupid. If they were that stupid they’d do some things right just out of sheer blind chance. Everything they do seems so well focused on a Reform victory it’s hard not to suspect that’s their goal
It's a faction of the political establishment that's been desperate to restore the Whig/Conservative duopoly ever since Labour came along and broke it a century ago.
Every time Labour tries to capture the far right vote, the far right are legitimized and their popularity increases as their racist rhetoric becomes mainstream. The Labour right despite taking this route for decades has failed to grasp this fact. And that's due to the fact they are idiots.
I voted for your lot but only to protest against our corrupt FPTP voting system. I think you need to be a bit more positive and stop 'promoting' Deform or have you converted? I hate Starmer with a passion but please don't big up Deform Carla.
At this point I think they want a Reform government. It is blindingly obvious his actions are leading us down this path. And it is so easy to fix but he chooses not to.
Good as in repulsive. I still can't believe I saw that. I'm a paid-up Green member but had to vote Labour in my borough to keep the vile Toron Greg Hands out (which was achieved by a mere 152 votes). Next time, who knows? I might well be in Ireland by then.
How about including the other things the govt are doing which do not pander to reform?
Workers and tenants rights, on shore wind and solar, vat on private school fees, iht on farmers etc
I hate to say this but I know ordinary working class voters who are reform because of immigration
Are you saying you are not aware of the bills?
No zero hours contracts, sick pay from day one etc
Tenants- an end to no fault evictions, prohibiting rental wars etc
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...which promises? The ones Starmer made to win the party leader position, the ones he made in the runup to the election, the ones he made while campaigning, or the ones they acknowledge after winning?
Immigration noise is driven by MSM and Farridge and is a long way down on the list of problems that voters want the govt to fix. Starmer is dancing to Farridge’s tune. A tune that will never be a hit.
Have you asked yourself why some people care about it? Because some bastard Politician and Journalist is telling them immigration is bad, when it is not. This is an entirely concocted problem. Less than 12 months from riots, Starmer is validating the same rhetoric used then by Farridge.
Less than a year ago there were rioters trying to kill immigrants urged on by Farridge. Today Starmer is validating Farridge’s rhetoric. That is not what a govt should be doing.
Labour are under the impression that Reform are the biggest threat to them, they're not. Reform are the biggest threat to the Tories. The sooner the Labour leadership realise that, the sooner they'll stop losing support to the LibDems/Greens by getting back to their more socialist roots
Oh ffs 🤦♂️ he’s impersonating no one and i suppose the uptake in minimum wage,uptake of UC and other benefits,record increase in pensions,the bringing into public hands amenities,slowly getting there.
Yeah none of this is of any help,might as well not have done it by your logic.
Maybe the mistake we make is to think he wants to be saved from that outcome? Maybe aligning with their policies is a precursor to joining them officially ?
He is just legitimising the hate rethorical from the extreme right. Even if that would be useful from an electoral point of view (it isn't) is morally unacceptable.
My suggestion is that the terminally thick as pigshit stop wanking incessantly in public to that toerag Farridge's vacuous fuckwittery about immigration... is the action the majority of voters want on immigration.
You've confused me with with someone who cares about changing their minds. Being reasonable & presenting facts & logic doesn't work, so we might as well call it what it is. Here's the thing about tolerance, it has to work both ways, and if nothing comes back... maybe read the Tolerance Paradox.
Fair enough. But Labour do need to be concerned with what the public want.
As much as I agree that we need immigration into this country, it is not unreasonable for the public to raise questions on the impact on public services, housing etc. Its a crude debate, but that doesn't make them idiots.
Labour has the biggest majority in their history and could ignore incessant racist rabble rousing from the nondom billionaire press, should they care to. In the same way so many were gulled over Brexit, a minority have been set up for another "look over there, you hate them" moment. Bloody fools.
It's ironic because 'action on immigration' has historically only ever led to shitty conditions for immigrants and worse economics for the country cracking down.
No doubt, the papers have had a hand in hyping up this issue. There's a whole load of shady characters making political capital out of this.
However, it's not unreasonable for the public to question the impact on housing and public services of 728,000 (net) people entering the country in a year.
"Question the impact" implies they might consider the impact is good. I don't think you are that naive. The discussion seems to be centered around whether it's actually bad to drown people in the channel.
The pricks too busy sitting round tables discussing Ukraine , he’s forever doing it , while Putin and Trump just ignore them all and do what they like anyway .
Pretending he’s relevant .
If you’d been listening Lab was saying this well before the election. As it happens, I agree because it’s morally wrong to exploit workers from poor countries like Nepal because care homes won’t pay a decent wage.
Yes, I am aware that Labour have been racist for a while now.
The exploitation is the low pay and poor conditions, not the giving of visas. Referring to migration as a "Squalid Chapter" is not the words of someone who cares about migrants, but of an avowed racist.
I'd like someone to ask him, in terms, which people specifically are composite of this squalor. He shouldn't be able to hide from the ghastly reality of his hate speech.
Getting the UK economy on its feet will silence Deform, many of its racist followers. Sadly, many arrived via NF, BNP & now GBBies and much of the propaganda spread through MSM.
The Green Party must join in and start making promises they have no intention of keeping. It is now our political norm. ☹️
Their policies do seem to be reactive rather than proactive right now. They can’t be Reform lite, as you say it won’t work. My Mother’s care home does not have one single English member of staff, how are they to replace them as and when they leave?
I am so disgusted with Starmer. He is not Labour, he is not a man for the working people or even just the people. I never want to see the Conservatives back in Govt but I will also never vote Labour again until Starmer is gone and we have a real leader for the people.
Labour don’t listen to voters. They have done nothing to redistribute wealth , not tackled corruption, support zionist genocide. We don’t want a deal with trump we don’t want trump here. We do want actual green technologies not nuclear/ fossil fuels and ccs - Labour people have been abandoned
So a rise in the richest people’s taxes (IHT & CGT) doesn’t count?
What corruption?
They don’t support genocide, that’s just ridiculous.
People’s livelihood depends on reducing the tariffs. How many people have to suffer because you don’t like Trump? No one likes him, ..
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.. it’s called diplomacy to save jobs and manage his crazy attitude towards Ukraine.
Nuclear is a clean technology, ccs has significant possibilities and what, are wind farms, solar farms & hydrogen aren’t green technologies??
I think TBH the long game is to reject the choice.
The minimum bar for a Labour government is set very low but somehow they’ve limboed under it. No parroting of context free metrics changes that fact.
If Reform double their vote share to 30% & win the next election underFPTP it is 100% on Starmer
Bar = general commitment to tax and spend our way to prosperity - anyone saying ‘you can’t’ has no business in a social democratic party.
Context free- notably the shrill, irritating, verbless cry ‘waiting lists down’ when the context is a terminally underfundedNHS
Hope that helps
So they've removed the WFA, they are reducing benefits for the disabled and they are now targeting immigrants, especially in the care sector which has well over 100,000 vacancies.
All while not taxing rich people.
Exactly which bit of that is making thing better?
They are means testing WFA, they are reducing some disability benefits (which is bad), whilst raising other benefits & providing additional support for people who can & want to work.
They’re trying to build a functional system & trying to get the care sector to take their responsibilities seriously
There isn't any at the moment. But to vote in the hope of a better life and then be disappointed and in many cases scared for what's to come is worse than having a party in you know would make your life harder.
If you waste your vote because your personal feelings trump the national interest, then you’re responsible for what comes next. If you want a perfect govt then you’ll just be disappointed regardless.
If you choose to help Tory/Reform, then what happens next is on you!
For every vote labour got the voter did not vote for the policies that labour are implementing. Labour has broken its contract with the voter and deserve political extinction.
Which policies didn’t they vote for? Because something like 70% of the electorate support bringing immigration down. And they are delivering on the manifesto
The more Maurice Glassman and freinds (see Steve Bannon) unmask themselves, the stupider the "would you rather Refom/Tory " takes get. I come from a Labour family. Grew up in a house we'd turn over for use by the party at elections because we had a phone mid-70s . I'd never vote for them now.
I am a lifelong (read OLD) labour man. The only way I could ever contemplate voting for labour again is if the PLP rose as one and binned Starmer and his whole Cabinet. Even then I would want to see appreciable change. Which we both know means I will never vote labour again.
Reform currently have 5 MPs. The Green Party have 4. The next election is in 2029. I’m a member of a green party and we are doing whatever the hell we can to make 2029 transformative
But if you’re ok voting for a party that actively assists a genocide and seems intent on cutting benefits, go ahead
Reform have their hooks into the Tory party who are sprinting rightwards to meet them, all I see the Green Party doing is blocking renewable energy reaching the grid & sniping from the sidelines without any credible plans.
Also, having been invaded by Momentum, good luck keeping your party together!
There isn't any enhanced employment only forcing disabled people off benefits and into work they cannot do. Money is not available for the NHS, instead just more cuts. And raising the threshold for immigration just means no farm labourers, no carers, less staff for seasonal work.
No one is forcing disabled people off benefits. I don’t agree with the PIP cuts either, but let’s not be hyperbolic. You may have missed all the additional support Labour is proposing to provide to people who can & who want to work to get back into jobs.
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They’ve raised the NHS budget by £27bn over the next 2 years & there will be exceptions for shortage areas, so neither of your other points are correct.
The NHS in England is planning "previously unthinkable" cuts to try to balance the books, health bosses say. Services including diabetes care for young people, rehab centres and talking therapies are in the firing line, according to NHS Providers, which represents health
There is no money for the skills training or wage increases for carers, there will be no help for sick and disabled to work there NEVER IS, it's always just spouted out of the mouths of politicians and nothing gets done.
Ok. So as a person who worked in the DWP for 20+ years under Thatcher and Blair. The investment doesn't exist. It's all hot air for statistics. I refused, under Blair and his soft and fluffy approach to get a chainsaw license and a driving license back to an alcoholic. They changed my role.
I voted for Labour because it was the only way to get the Tories out, but if we get a government to the right of Cameron's Tories then what's the point?
Currently leaning towards voting Lib Dem at the next election for the first time in my life.
What a delightfully naive view that allows you to abdicate responsibility! How convenient.
The system we have means that the traditional fracturing of the vote on the left has allowed right wing parties into power. That’s why there was such a push for tactical voting last election
Starmer's only the frontman of a cabal that now controls and abuse Labour top to bottom. They can't be removed since they just suspend anyone who stands against them (which negates their candidacy no matter how spurious the suspension)
What is reform about saying that we can’t keep taking workers from developing countries that need their own staff we need to pay our own care workers decently not exploit people from Nepal that we won’t even allow to bring their families with them.
UK unemployment is ~4.4%, which is relatively low. Couple that with a low propensity for workers currently in UK to want to work in the care sector, then there's a natural demand. Also, if you want to improve the pay of 'our own' care workers, just increase the minimum wage; is that a Reform policy?
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We’ve just seen this in the local #elections & by-election.
Without change it will happen at the next general election too
Yes, it's Reform Lite.
The Government could solve child poverty, reduce income inequality, meet the Greenhouse Gas emissions limits it has set itself and accelerate innovation to achieve net zero and make the UK a world leader in green technology.
Here’s a costed plan to achieve all of this.
- Cut PIP and force disabled people into such mental strain they can't
- Damage the mental health of the trans community enough that many of us are off sick
- Encourage the foreign workforce to leave
That's got to be loads of people out of work.
Guess which political party was most opposed to the EC becoming the EU in 1989/92
It was the greens
Labour got 2m votes back off Ukip in 2017 when it accepted Brexit
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No wonder they're at 14% approval!
Until then it is full steam ahead on making people's lives worse.
Plus the billionnaires just point at immigrating knowing the idiots will follow rather than look at them.
Reform = racist scum. End of.
Can't get a GP appointment? school place? Or anything else?
Blame the migrants
Not intrinsically but because for whatever reason government decides to house a ton of migrants in an area but chooses not to boost local facilities to actually handle the extra population
Even the neighbours who are migrants themselves (but well integrated) see it as a significant problem
Not a single exception exists.
Renationalising rail?
Those “traditional conservative values”? 🙄🤦
And it is deeply unpopular. 15% approval last time I checked.
Deputy leader #ZackPolanski would make a far better team co-leader alongside #EllieChowns.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/12/adrian-ramsay-stand-re-election-greens-co-leader-with-ellie-chowns
Workers and tenants rights, on shore wind and solar, vat on private school fees, iht on farmers etc
I hate to say this but I know ordinary working class voters who are reform because of immigration
No zero hours contracts, sick pay from day one etc
Tenants- an end to no fault evictions, prohibiting rental wars etc
The media prefer drama and squabbles to the dull business of government. But a steady flow of work is moving forward on most of Labour’s promises. Stephen McNair reports on some of this.
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Immigration noise is driven by MSM and Farridge and is a long way down on the list of problems that voters want the govt to fix. Starmer is dancing to Farridge’s tune. A tune that will never be a hit.
I don't agree with some of the rhetoric, but it's no use pretending this isn't a concern for voters.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49594-general-election-2024-what-are-the-most-important-issues-for-voters
https://bsky.app/profile/gjdop.bsky.social/post/3loxprzw4gc24
How about doing what people actually want!
Get rid of your co-leader.
https://bsky.app/profile/irishdreamer.bsky.social/post/3loxgmas2jc2t
Yeah none of this is of any help,might as well not have done it by your logic.
Too late.
What is true is that voters want action on immigration, they've made this point repeatedly.
As much as I agree that we need immigration into this country, it is not unreasonable for the public to raise questions on the impact on public services, housing etc. Its a crude debate, but that doesn't make them idiots.
But hey, propaganda works.
But you can hardly blame Labour for addressing the issue.
And the problem is largely imaginary.
However, it's not unreasonable for the public to question the impact on housing and public services of 728,000 (net) people entering the country in a year.
Pretending he’s relevant .
He himself is a right wing authoritarian and sees his time in government as a way of setting up lucrative private contracts for after his term is up.
Just corrupt careerism spliced with bigotry.
The exploitation is the low pay and poor conditions, not the giving of visas. Referring to migration as a "Squalid Chapter" is not the words of someone who cares about migrants, but of an avowed racist.
The Green Party must join in and start making promises they have no intention of keeping. It is now our political norm. ☹️
Does your disgust include enhanced employment rights? Reduced waiting lists? Increased funding for NHS, schools & councils?
On balance, do you really think the Tory/Reform hybrid would be better?
What corruption?
They don’t support genocide, that’s just ridiculous.
People’s livelihood depends on reducing the tariffs. How many people have to suffer because you don’t like Trump? No one likes him, ..
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Nuclear is a clean technology, ccs has significant possibilities and what, are wind farms, solar farms & hydrogen aren’t green technologies??
Where are you getting your information from?
The minimum bar for a Labour government is set very low but somehow they’ve limboed under it. No parroting of context free metrics changes that fact.
If Reform double their vote share to 30% & win the next election underFPTP it is 100% on Starmer
And in response to your “context free” comment, which were context free & what is the context that makes them bad policies?
Context free- notably the shrill, irritating, verbless cry ‘waiting lists down’ when the context is a terminally underfundedNHS
Hope that helps
& you think just chucking money at the NHS will solve the problems?
Where’s the money coming from? & please don’t say wealth taxes if you’re want to be taken seriously!
All while not taxing rich people.
Exactly which bit of that is making thing better?
They’re trying to build a functional system & trying to get the care sector to take their responsibilities seriously
If you waste your vote because your personal feelings trump the national interest, then you’re responsible for what comes next. If you want a perfect govt then you’ll just be disappointed regardless.
If you choose to help Tory/Reform, then what happens next is on you!
For every vote labour got the voter did not vote for the policies that labour are implementing. Labour has broken its contract with the voter and deserve political extinction.
Every time they discuss immigration, regardless of what they actually say people clutch their pearls and shout “you’re just like Reform!”.
Has Labour called migrants a plague or advocated dropping them in the sea, or shooting them?
Interesting that Reform voters, the people all the main parties are courting, aren’t told this
But if you’re ok voting for a party that actively assists a genocide and seems intent on cutting benefits, go ahead
Also, having been invaded by Momentum, good luck keeping your party together!
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You’re buying into the “they’re all the same narrative pumped out by the RW media. That only benefits Tory/reform
Currently leaning towards voting Lib Dem at the next election for the first time in my life.
If the LDs have a reasonable chance then sure vote tactically, if they don’t then it’s just enabling the far right
I would posit that if a far-right party get in, it's the fault of the people who voted for the far-right party.
The system we have means that the traditional fracturing of the vote on the left has allowed right wing parties into power. That’s why there was such a push for tactical voting last election
Improving people's lives automatically proves Farage wrong.
There will always be the Farage die-hard minority, but they're irrelevant.
Starmer's only the frontman of a cabal that now controls and abuse Labour top to bottom. They can't be removed since they just suspend anyone who stands against them (which negates their candidacy no matter how spurious the suspension)
Never.
You'd be as well asking when a Labour Friend of Israel will condemn genocide.