the thesis of this lawsuit is that luigi was right and shooting the uhc ceo caused uhc to kill fewer people - ThreadSky

segyges.bsky.social • 1 day ago

the thesis of this lawsuit is that luigi was right and shooting the uhc ceo caused uhc to kill fewer people

"The group, which seeks...damages, argues that the public backlash prevented the company from pursuing "the aggressive, anti-consumer tactics that it would need to achieve" its earnings goals."

do you have a moment to discuss the Good News of dialectical materialism?
www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...

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turnitup5000db.bsky.social•19 hours ago

I used to be very rule of law, but the asymmetric games broke me some time ago. I like rules and order and stability and above all else egalitarianism. That last one is a big part of the ethical justification for any rules at all.

No egalitarianism? No rules.

turnitup5000db.bsky.social•19 hours ago

As a pure mental abstract exercise, of course😁

segyges.bsky.social•1 day ago

given his rampant folk popularity and the fact that shareholders are filing "luigi was right" lawsuits i don't understand why a certain contingent of people on here refuses to consider being at least neutral instead of anti-luigi

rimidar.bsky.social•1 day ago

He should probably go to jail because it’s wrong to kill people but it was still cool

vagabondaeon.bsky.social•1 day ago

my only real thought about this that I've spent more than five minutes on is that if a few more... went, it'd either stem the bleeding or reverse some of the symptoms but the cost would be so high even some of the most pro-Luigi folks would get sticker shock

vagabondaeon.bsky.social•1 day ago

we also really don't need a wave of copycats and wannabes, either

aiun.bsky.social•1 day ago

It's weird to me that some assassinations (this, Shinzo Abe) may arguably have produced good outcomes and I'm not sure how to evaluate that; it seems like a recent shift

I'm a pretty strict pacifist so "maybe violence is more effective than I thought" won't move me much but it's a good point

aiun.bsky.social•1 day ago

My strongest other argument is just that erosion of the rule of law is bad

But I'm not unsympathetic to the argument that there's no real way for ordinary people to change some systems that don't benefit them within the law

segyges.bsky.social•1 day ago

i strongly believe that erosion of the rule of law is bad! but i think it's a symptom and not a cause here, though. this is specifically pointed at an institution that it seems impossible to reform and that is universally hated

wanderlib.bsky.social•23 hours ago

If people don't believe the law is just or equally applied, the law will not be respected.

The law not being respected does not end at a single statute.

(This is why the weird status of cannabis legalization is terrible for the country)

davidjorgonson.bsky.social•1 day ago

Usually there's a backlash against the assassin and their goals but apparently occasionally not

segyges.bsky.social•1 day ago

it basically depends on whether the public thinks they were right once it's heavily scrutinized. in some cases the answer is "yes" and you get to find out that tens of millions of people in the US think it's at least moderately cool to kill health insurance CEOs, even when it's heavily scrutinized

davidjorgonson.bsky.social•1 day ago

This lawsuit is apparently a troll / reverse propaganda stunt, IDK if that matters

segyges.bsky.social•1 day ago

it sort of depends, all shareholder lawsuits are some kind of stunt because they're usually intended to make the board do things and not to be won

segyges.bsky.social•1 day ago

if it's "a thousand people who all own spx decided it would be cool to file this" that reduces the signal provided to basically 0

davidjorgonson.bsky.social•23 hours ago

It's one named plaintiff plus a class. A big name law firm tho (Rosen).
I was saying troll because their filing paints the claim denial negatively, quotes Warren & other critics of UHC. But maybe the lawyers do think they can make money.

segyges.bsky.social•23 hours ago

i think that makes it roughly as legitimate as minority shareholder lawsuits get (which ... you know)

davidjorgonson.bsky.social•23 hours ago

Link to filing
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25933445-show-temp-4/

somanymonkeys.bsky.social•23 hours ago

I looked up the guy who brought the suit & he doesn't look like the typical investor. I think you're correct about the point being to force UHC to say in court, "No, we're still ghouls".
https://bsky.app/profile/somanymonkeys.bsky.social/post/3loqsmxdm2k2r

segyges.bsky.social•23 hours ago

i can find like five people under that name and have no idea which one filed this

somanymonkeys.bsky.social•22 hours ago

My hunch is this was filed by someone who's pretty online & he was the only Roberto Faller who has an online footprint. I guess we'll find out.

elisennesh.bsky.social•1 day ago

I knock a Nazi's phone out of his hand and it's all "party discipline, wait for orders, don't use force outside a group effort", Luigi kills a fuckin' CEO and he's a HERO all of a sudden

rabble rabble rabble

segyges.bsky.social•1 day ago

i think both of these things are kind of good

and also kind of broadly that you want the people inclined to start fights to tacitly understand that sometimes starting fights is, at a minimum, forgivable

azery.bsky.social•1 day ago

this article among other things showing that it -did- actually do something is what shifted me tbh. I figured the dude would just be replaced and nothing changes because like, why -wouldn't- that be the case.

isaiahbishop.bsky.social•1 day ago

I guess even the board was like "could be us, lets pump the brakes a bit"

segyges.bsky.social•1 day ago

he did shoot the guy outside of a board meeting

gloomygus.bsky.social•1 day ago

Luigi is a smart guy, I hope they find the real killer so that they let him go free. He did nothing wrong and it's shameful that they're keeping locked up for no reason.

davidjorgonson.bsky.social•1 day ago

"Shareholder advocacy" has been a disaster for humanity

azery.bsky.social•1 day ago

I'm uh

I'm not quite sure that's the message shareholders should be sending in this political climate!

segyges.bsky.social•1 day ago

i am okay with them sending it

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