True. But if one of the duopoly do want power, they’ll have to earn it. If we vote for Dems who slide Right, we’ll have two right-wing parties and even less choice.
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Then the time to fix that slide is in between elections not during them. You want the Democratic Party to be more left then get involved and party-build. You want a more left leaning candidate recruit and support one.
You’re not making the Democratic Party more left leaning by enabling Trump. You’re only making it so they completely write you off altogether. I assure you the conversation within the Party right now is not we should be more vocal about what is going on in Gaza.
Yes we are making the Democratic Party more left leaning by denying them pro-fascist wins.
1. It polarizes the left further if Dems support Trump-like policy and spotlights unwanted similarities (like genocide).
2. It forces Dem candidates to back further left leaning policy if they want to win.
Honestly, I’ve been at it since 2004. It hasn’t been going well. George W Bush and Dick Cheney called the Democrats unpatriotic if they didn’t support his undeclared and illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Dems as a party (not voters) have been sliding right gradually ever since.
My gosh, part of me so gets this idea of people "earning" your vote, but it's also disconnected from reality, practicality, outcomes that don't make your life worse.
Integrity is good and all, but its not doing much for trans in the military, Palestinians, the economy, the Constitution etc..
😂 I know, right? I think they like that whole earning their vote thing because it gives them this inflated sense of self worth. It also absolves them of responsibility for actually thinking and making the tough choices that make the world work better. Not perfect. But at least better.
So, to not be supportive of a policy that you think is the same for both sides you enabled myriad policies that may have set us back decades. I’m a black man with kids. I can’t afford to be so pure. My vote isn’t just about moving forward. It’s also about protecting what progress has been made.
Wouldn’t your life be better with actual healthcare for all, not just health insurance monopolies? Would universal basic income give you and others more breathing room?
Well Dems are funding fascists, the US becoming an arms dealer, and brutality promoter, not to mention racism.
Interjecting here, but if the democrats had won, are you really saying it would be *because* of genocide? Kind of ridiculous given that MAGA won and the genocide continues.
"MAGA won because they were immoral enough to support war crime" and "democrats lost partly because the majority of the Left refuse to support war crime as policy"
So to be clear, "the Left" let MAGA win and war crime is now the policy of the United States. Congratulations, you played yourself.
Well explained counter argument. Thanks! (I am sincerely sensitive to this 'win my vote' argument and concede a valid point in it—so it's difficult for me to articulate just where it falls short for me. Your comment helps!)
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1. It polarizes the left further if Dems support Trump-like policy and spotlights unwanted similarities (like genocide).
2. It forces Dem candidates to back further left leaning policy if they want to win.
Integrity is good and all, but its not doing much for trans in the military, Palestinians, the economy, the Constitution etc..
When you keep voting lesser evil, the greater evil sets the pace and direction.
I’m not into that. The party that wins on genocide becomes more genocidal. I’d rather that not be MY side’s direction
The Democrats pushing toward center and further right is a sign of them leaving you behind. My refusal to support that is because that’s wrong.
Well Dems are funding fascists, the US becoming an arms dealer, and brutality promoter, not to mention racism.
Democrats lost partly because the majority of the Left refuse to support war crime as policy (thank goodness).
MAGA won because they were immoral enough to support war crime
My friend, I’d be crying if the US Left died and supported Dems becoming more fascist and Right wing. THAT would have been the REAL loss.
So to be clear, "the Left" let MAGA win and war crime is now the policy of the United States. Congratulations, you played yourself.
The literal job of our politicians is to represent us in government because “it would be too chaotic” if we participated directly.
To “win” someone’s vote is to represent them and get paid by us to do so.
Being pro-genocide is the opposite of representing me.