I think it speaks volumes that right wingers criticize bluesky for being “liberal” and “left wing”, when it’s really just that hate speech isn’t allowed.
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Bingo. I'm sick of the Maga coming in & saying we'll why can't we have a friendly debate? Well after 4 yrs yall denied facts and said racist/sexist/antigay shit and I no longer have the patience or time to waste on fighting with you. Simple as that. I'm just fucking done with it.
Well that and also their butt sore because they can't hang out with the cool kids anymore and nobody likes them and they smell funny. I guarantee you if you tell one of them this they will lose their s*** because they're that juvenile mentally.
Be great if hate speech wasn’t allowed. Unfortunately I’ve seen a lot of hate written about the right.
So is it only hate speech if the right do it. When it’s someone saying something that doesn’t offend you, does it stop being hate speech?
Sorry not been on here for a couple of weeks. Your statement isn’t very clear. Are you saying I’m talking shit or others are.
It reads as though you’re saying some things are just shit and other is hate but you don’t clarify which.
Can you be more concise. Thanks
The Right Wants Trans People To Not Exist, And In The Most Extreme Cases, They Want Any Non-White Non-Cis Person To Die. The Left Just Wants The Right To Stop Being Dickheads.
I consider myself to be on what is classed as the right. Politically I align with right leaning parties.
However I don’t want trans people to not exist. If all non-white non-cis people died I’d lose some dear friends and family members. So I don’t want this either.
Guess you’re talking shit
I work for a non profit and we sent out our year end report about our programs that involved learning about Korean cooking, hosting a play about native Americans, and teaching kids to ride horses. Some people returned them complaining that we were woke. Really? Kindness is woke? Fuck that.
Oh noes! Why even bother criticizing bluesky. They're just upset there's fewer people to troll on twitter and we don't go for that here. They don't have a problem with partisan social media sites when it comes to truth social. Critical thinking/rational discussion aren't strong points for them.
Isn't productive, isn't based on facts, isn't good for business, isn't good for living happily in a world where variety is one of the only constants...
To them, liberal and left wing means people who won't tolerate their bullshit and hatred. I'd rather be in a non-hate bubble than with the threats all day every day.
They're the back seat drivers of social media platforms.
When we're on the road, I get criticized enough by snark and yackity yack contrarians who never bothered to get themselves a driver's license.
I don't come to social media for criticism from the 'Gotta debate everything here' people either.
Household eureka moment today
Decades long friends in real life got their laughs by fooling ppl/extending disinformation to see who'd fall for it.
We'd go on holidays together & they'd pull "Bob was a sniper in the military" kinda crap mtg others.
We've grown apart but THEY'D be sm troll equivalents
Some of the things I hear from them are very similar to things I heard from an abusive ex I left. Just mad that someone would dare leave in the middle of their abuse. Or the guys who ask you for your number then start name calling and saying I'm fat when I won't give it.
I opened an account just to see the other side.. OMG.. The hate is real.. I had death threats on several occasions. One guy was a preacher.. who when not preaching about Jesus threatens people on social media.. not for being rude or offensive, just liberal.
I was lucky in that years of training the algorithm with my likes and follows kept me on the left side of the site. But even then, occasionally I’d see some hateful post, see the number of likes, and despair.
I had an account on Truth Social as a spy. It was laughable how many deluded, addle-brained fools lurked there, simply to participate in the #MAGAcult.
Tbh this is also fueled in other countries than the US by the fact that the majority of accounts leaving (especially notorious ones) are on the left side and not really fond of contradictory debate...
Hence the idea of them looking for "safe space" with everybody sharing their views or easily blockd
They call it infringement of free speech, despite the fact that Congress made no laws against it, and it’s just everyday civilians blocking them and not engaging with them.
They don’t know what the 1A actually covers.
pretty obvious by reading more than two sentences that hate speech is pretty well accepted to be rhetoric attacking minorities or other marginalized groups. My question is why would you would seemingly be against or at least critical of a no hate speech rule….
I obviously don’t like hate speech, but as a general principle, I believe it’s too subjective to define clearly.
If those deciding what qualifies as hate speech wield that power maliciously or even unfairly, it ironically risks creating a new form of marginalization.
Not if it's deliberately targeted to insult or attack a person for intrinsic characteristics. Or advocating for their rights to be restricted or violated or for their existence to be criminalized.
They turned their sandbox into a kitty litter box and decided they wanted to turn this sandbox into thee same thing and are disappointed that they can't.
I’ve been spreading my hate speech on this platform. It’s towards MAGA, but I’d say I’m not being very nice so not sure how accurate that statement is.
Hahaha, big babies can’t get in. I find so many to block on the big accounts and every time I hit the block button it gives me something to smile about😅
They have a hard time with any disagreement because their views are shallow and paper thin. You cant debate them because they really don’t have anything but hatred as a belief
Right and is that too much to ask? Dialogues are encouraged we all know we are not always going to agree. However, they just take it there that’s because they can’t hold a decent conversation.
They have already been allowed through apathy to increase their wealth, destroy fairness and now they want to destroy any chance of fair minded people to have a platform to bring them together and fight back
They're free speech absolutists... until you criticise Christians or white people or men or Trump or Musk and then suddenly your free speech is a problem lmao.
Liberal and Left Wing is apparently how I would describe the Southern Baptist Church I grew up in so the world is upside down. My mother, a teacher, was a fierce protector of a gay student in the 60's when I was a small child. I guess now she would be fired. It literally makes my head explode.
I love how selective they are with the Bible. They twist for their own beliefs. A few days ago on the bus a Trump supporter tried to get people upset at 9 am. He did a Trump dance and blamed Pres Obama for homosexuality. Everyone ignored him which was the best so he departed and everyone laughed.
It’s sad to see this country lose so many advances made by the brave patriots that fought to bring them. Religion has become politicized and a battle cry for the right-wing theocrats who want to destroy democracy.
Strikes me that Republicans plan for the country until the end of time is attack trans people, immigrants, DEI and abortion. That’s what gets them elected.
I'm not convinced that hate speech isn't allowed. I reported several posts & I haven't heard anything from BSky about how they are handling those posts other than when I ran across the post again, it was muted w/a note about my report. I suspect it wasn't muted to other people. 🤷♀️
Theyy have Truth Social. They are just pissed that they can't feed their drama addiction. We didn't follow them to TS. They came back to X to argue. We leave, and they now can't feed that addiction. It's a great case study of mental illness. The abusers are mad they can no longer abuse.
Absolutely! But so many people fall under DEI any person of color women etc. Growing up our parents motto you have to be 10 times better and sometimes that not enough! When you work your butt of go to top school despite being top of class you are DEI.
Responding to my uncle when he told me that my dad expressed concern to him that I was a liberal, I said,”You say that like it’s a bad thing”. It was a tree falling in the forest with no one to hear it. The whole family’s Overton window has been wrenched so far right.
"Technically, going by the Merriam-Webster dictionary’s definition, WOKE means “aware and attentive to FACTS (especially facts of racial and social justice)". Those who use "woke" condescendingly show they are, in fact, not aware of injustice ⚖️ .
Free speech and hate speech are not the same thing. We need guardrails to protect the rights and dignity of others. Guardrails off = devolution and hate speech hellscape. Constitutionally protected and established guardrails=a nice place to be.
i saw someone yesterday who claimed theyre just here to have a good time, not stir up shit, and their name was literally MAGA, their icon was a MAGA hat, and their other posts were all about messing with liberals. sure bro, youre not here to stir shit, i believe you!
They know better heck some maga women I know say liberal men treat them better they both have crushes on liberal guys but don't wanna tell them they are for trump. Both these women watch progressive youtubers that do drama content. So they know better and say I just want another view.And say I don't
Sorry if this is too much but wanna warn you. Ladies like these to get men that are democrat or female dem friends they say things like that. Or say I hate trump but not what his policies are. Or they will insult maga to come across as I'm different. So they know the truth but don't do better.
Fr man. And yesterday I came across two trump supporters one was talking about how laura loomer is around trump gave him a bad rep and made fun of kaura the other one who assumed she was democrat insulted Joe. She said no I'm rightwing. But media paints him aa a racist and Laure did not help him.
At this point we have about nine examples of social media platforms dying when they don't moderate. Blue sky is gaining all of the artists, journalists, scientists, game creators, actors, and activists. Without a shadow of a doubt right wingers kill platforms. Hate speech then flight then silence
8chan, 8kun, Twitter, Rumble and gab. Gab was nearly destroyed for adjacent reasons like becoming so toxic payment processors and hosting companies dropped them. Well established cycle. Loosen moderation, chuds attack, they run out of targets, the place becomes a ghost town
What's being pushed back on is propaganda. The folks I know in maga are repeating lies pushed by the rage media they've been groomed by. They've been convinced a bombastic character like 45 is who they want, much like tobacco cos said we should all smoke to have good health.
So many maga have been radicalized. They actually consider Trump to be a great populist because he spews the hateful vitriol that they believe to be true.
I don't think BSKY is an echo chamber. It's just that good people are now informing us of the bed stuff going on, so we rally instead of react to hostility.
As someone who used to be addicted to arguing on twitter long ago it is really nice to see the lack of sodium on bluesky. If anything, there is an abundance of potassium here
That's literally hate speech how can you not see it? You simply can't make such sweeping assumptions about everybody who disagrees with you, politically or ideologically.
Anyone who is right wing at this point has shown that they support rapists, pedophiles and abusers. If they support people who are like that, then they support the acts themselves. It’s time we start calling them out for it
You realise the world is bigger than the USA right? We have some pretty heavy hitting right wingers here in the UK who support none of those things. Also you can't possibly believe every conservative thinker in the USA really supports those things. It's a sweeping generalisation. Emotive nonsense.
Seeing how the original criticism is coming from American conservatism, this applies to American politics. There is a difference between a right winger and a conservative thinker. However, if all your political leaders are rapists and pedophiles and you don’t speak out against them? That’s support.
More sweeping generalisation "all your political leaders are rapists and paedophiles" simply not true. How many people voted for GOP candidates because they thought, "I support rape and paedophilia."? I would suggest none.
That’s not what “hate speech” is Jed, hating someone’s *opinions* is not hate speech. Hate speech is attacking someone for belonging to a specific class of people, and, I suppose, being in a particular religion. Having shitty opinions is not an immutable characteristic.
Aye, I conceded I may be wide of the mark against the definition. But I won't concede that all GOP supporters support paedophilia and racism and are scum. Pretty sure that's not even close to being true and "scum" is just name calling.
What do you call people who support rapists and paedophiles other than supporters of such? You can’t vote for someone who is fine abusing people and then say that you don’t support that. It’s time we call them out for what they are, and scum is a great way to describe them.
Pedophilia (sorry for the Americanism) no, I agree with you on that. However, Trump is undeniably a racist, and a supporter of white supremacists. So supporting him is a racist act.
Now, they may be like my sis in law, who is a kind person, and not consciously racist. But she’s still supporting it
Trump has been quoted about listing after his underage daughter, accused of walking into minor dressing rooms, and friends with Epstein. He then supported Gaetz who has been accused of sex trafficking minors that the GOP has tried to hide. He supports it too.
They me be supporting a racist but I'm not sure that's why they support him. Can we really call somebody a racist if they are not consciously so. I mean most likely we're all racists subconsciously, fear of otherness seems to be grounded in our humanity, probably evolved that way.
Have been trying to make this point for years. They have a plan and have executed it very well. Moving what is considered normal to the right, with everything they do. Skewing belief systems. Before you know it we'll be talking about the morality of putting people in camps...nvm, that's happening.
Liberal = no longer interested in being cannon fodder for their rage farming echo chamber. They've had ten years to listen to reason. The time for reasoning is over and the time for standing up and fighting back is arriving.
What I like about this place is that, aside from a small specific faction here, it doesn’t have to be outrage or tiptoeing 24/7 on every issue. People can be angry & terrified about what is going on, but can also have more enjoyable, funny and needed exchanges without getting jumped on. Balance.🍸
and the mythical bias on Twitter before Elmo was really just that right-wingers were far more likely to engage in hate speech. The actual twitter algorithm already favored conservatives before Elmo -he just amplified it & got rid of restrictions on hate speech.
yes, it's run by Musk now. But, before Musk, Republicans used to whine & cry about alleged liberal bias of Twitter all the time. However, the fact is that even *before* Musk Twitter's algorithm favored conservatives. it's just that conservatives were far more likely to violate Twitter ToS.
Twitter "takedown" requests from Repubs were exponentially greater than requests from Dems, even though Dem requests got almost all of the publicity in the Twitter files.
Dem requests "Take down Hunter Biden dick pics, they violate TOS"
100 GOP requests "Remove that tweet, it hurt Trump's feelings"
I mean if he pissed in public every day Im sure someone would ask him “why are you pissing in public every day?”. So what is it about lying the the press says he does, even keeps count yet when he stands in front of them not one of them will ask him why he lies!? Drive me insane!
The press are motivated by money and viewers. To get those, the press needs access to dipshit and magaworld. If anyone calls him out, Trump refuses to talk to them anymore. Hence, they lose access to him and risk falling behind their peers on coverage and from that viewers.
Faux & Phucker Carlson know all about that, but when NYT & other legacy formerly respected entities sold out, that was indeed the beginning of the end & l don't know how any of them can ever come back without shedding their corporate overlord direction/slant & control.☹️
Excellent question. I believe that he is such a monumental scumbag that people are struck dumb by it. He is shocking in his depravity and so people normalize it to make themselves be able do deal with him every day.???? It’s just a guess. But look at his cabinet picks. Bonkers😳
It’s not just that. When he lies to their face their response should not be “uh-huh, okay I’ll write that down,” it should be “that’s not true, why would you lie?”
on one hand, i agree, but on the other hand, at this point, we know that he'll just respond by calling the journalist names & storming out w/o answering
Traditional media outlets are, for the most part, owned by the very people who wanted him in office. So, like Fox fucking News, the shit that people really needed to know about TFG was never made available to the general public.
Even DT’s fave target CNN is off the hot seat now, at least ever since it was bought by a right-wing billionaire John Malone.
Viewers may have noticed ideological shift to the right, but that’s no accident: pressure to shift comes from the top (& only trickle-down effect that works is media bias).
On top of being weak, I think the press views calling him a liar to his face as somehow tipping the scales of balance they are obsessed with maintaining. Which funny enough tips the scales in the favor of the orange and his ilk
The stubborn refusal of the media to call obvious lies, lies and not “misleading statements,” “controversial remarks” or whatever is perpetually infuriating.
I think the British press would be a lot tougher on him. Why aren’t they bought and sold like the American MSM is? Can journalism in this country ever stand up again?
Because the corporate media sees themselves as stenographers, and essentially publicists, and they see their function as simply spreading Trump’s lies.
That's a really good question. I believe he actually thinks we're all stupid enough that we believe what he says is true.
Oh hang on, he's right - his supporters must believe him.......I really don't know what you do with that.
Probably because there smart enough to know he lies enough that even if they did ask, hed never tell them the truth, making the question itself redundant
Why would you ask a lier for the true reason he lies, if you know your never going to get it?
The issue is access. If you challenge him even slightly, look at the debate, he loses his shit. He packs up his toys and leaves. None of his followers are swayed by this, he just rails saying it's unfair, biased fake media. People have made a career checking him. Daniel Dale for one. Nothing changed
Right i dont even care what his answer would be because it would umm be a lie anyway but I care that not 1 fkn journalist in 9 years has asked him this.
Yes, this! It was the beginning of the end when ppl actually treated him like a qualified, viable candidate😡& idk how to get ppl to understand the value of being informed & of critical thkng when they're too uneducated & incurious to realize they don't have a clue about just how uninformed they are.
A very real problem with very real impacts for this 2nd term he somehow jagged. Short games and long games are available to those who want to play. People will suffer while he wastes his time controlling media and courts but it may be the only way to expose that he’s in power for personal gain.
Journalists don't ask that question because it wouldn't do anything. He would just call you fake news and disgusting, and people would criticize the journalist for being partisan. Everyone knows he lies and his supporters and most voters don't care.
He lies so much he’s good at it. He can word salad and allude to things and leave himself ways to back out or say he was misconstrued… but we all know.
Why does he lie so much and why is he never challenged by journalists when he lies? British journalists would hold him to account. In the U.S. he gets away with it and people don’t seem to care.
During a Thursday press conference, … correspondent asked, “After three and a half years, do you regret, at all, all the lying you’ve done”
“All the what?” Trump asked.
“All the lying, all the dishonesties?”
“That who has done?” Trump said.
“You have done.”
“Uh”
He quickly moved on.
Actually there was a journalist who asked him that back in 2015 or 2016. His response was basically he did it to undermine the press. I’ll have to find the quote.
It would be better, I think, to ask about specific incidences, with receipts. The question 'Why do you lie so much?" is easy to deflect by simply saying he doesn't.
I mean, we know he does! But evidence is better than blanket accusation.
The real problem is that well established facts, statistics and data have no bearing on what Conservatives chose to believe. They make up their own truth.
Benny Johnson who clearly can't tell the difference between the misery they inflict on everyone and happiness probably because he is happy inflicting it himself.
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All their talk of ‘echo chambers’ is so stupid. We just got tired of idiots jumping on every post & telling us how much of a loser we were.
Hit “Subscribe” and choose “Block”, and any account that you add to that list will be blocked.
Poor little angry no-marks!
So is it only hate speech if the right do it. When it’s someone saying something that doesn’t offend you, does it stop being hate speech?
It reads as though you’re saying some things are just shit and other is hate but you don’t clarify which.
Can you be more concise. Thanks
However I don’t want trans people to not exist. If all non-white non-cis people died I’d lose some dear friends and family members. So I don’t want this either.
Guess you’re talking shit
e.g., "Universities are liberal propaganda machines that don't adequately reflect conservative values!"
Well, no, actually. Knowledge and critical thinking tend not to mesh with the choice to be close-minded and ignorant.
When we're on the road, I get criticized enough by snark and yackity yack contrarians who never bothered to get themselves a driver's license.
I don't come to social media for criticism from the 'Gotta debate everything here' people either.
Decades long friends in real life got their laughs by fooling ppl/extending disinformation to see who'd fall for it.
We'd go on holidays together & they'd pull "Bob was a sniper in the military" kinda crap mtg others.
We've grown apart but THEY'D be sm troll equivalents
Why do you think Truth Social never took off?
Their whole joy comes from trolling.
Yet the return of Fanta Menace is the greatest Mediocre White Man trophy of all time.
Hence the idea of them looking for "safe space" with everybody sharing their views or easily blockd
They don’t know what the 1A actually covers.
If those deciding what qualifies as hate speech wield that power maliciously or even unfairly, it ironically risks creating a new form of marginalization.
It's almost like they need us or something
Thing is, they are not.
https://bsky.app/profile/horrormakesushappy.bsky.social/post/3lblnl722os2v
Thank you BlueSky community 🇺🇸
Fuck musk and his cesspit of sychophantic weirdos.
It's as if they can't be content just being by themselves. Who would have guessed 😄
It's almost as if they are abusers and none of what they say really means anything, as long as they get to force it on us.
Or as if we can't choose to leave the town square of we don't want to listen to them.
They think free speech means forcing others to listen to their shit.
Now it's just "Boohoo I hate woke-ism cause I can't say the N word"
But they're good for that, aren't they.
Now they're trying to make "DEI" code for the n-word.
They say Latinos but . . .
Free speech and hate speech are not the same thing. We need guardrails to protect the rights and dignity of others. Guardrails off = devolution and hate speech hellscape. Constitutionally protected and established guardrails=a nice place to be.
Mandated press censorship=
Info+Knowledge death.
I'm using my block button liberally. 😍
Now, they may be like my sis in law, who is a kind person, and not consciously racist. But she’s still supporting it
https://bsky.app/profile/bizzlemcdizzle.bsky.social/post/3lbhnhizvb22c
I mean Leia wasn't killing her team like Vader did 🤣
Hate speech is not free speech. Say it with me.
Even when you tell MAGAs that you pray they “get everything they voted for” they just get unreasonable angry like you insulted them or something
If someone told me that I’d be doing a back flip
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets
Dem requests "Take down Hunter Biden dick pics, they violate TOS"
100 GOP requests "Remove that tweet, it hurt Trump's feelings"
https://bsky.app/profile/schroderphotog.bsky.social/post/3lblr64efs22n
It was better to do what NABJ did, quote him and ask why anyone should take him why they should take him seriously.
See:
https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Network-Media-Secret-Radical/dp/163557319X
Viewers may have noticed ideological shift to the right, but that’s no accident: pressure to shift comes from the top (& only trickle-down effect that works is media bias).
Oh hang on, he's right - his supporters must believe him.......I really don't know what you do with that.
And im Canadian
They’d just be like “wow, look at Trump being Trump, just doing it like he feels, so cool” and that’s if they said anything at all
I just do not see them asking, even if he did it with his dick out to the camera
Why would you ask a lier for the true reason he lies, if you know your never going to get it?
Seems like kind of a waist of time to me
It gets him elected, isn't that enough?
But the interesting part is how he would deflect the question
https://bsky.app/profile/revera.bsky.social/post/3lb3gbl6p6s2u
Of course he was asked but I mean, as a pathological liar, what do you think his response was...
https://youtu.be/4a2t8HEimcY?si=LmAnzh8ONqxRZIlq
During a Thursday press conference, … correspondent asked, “After three and a half years, do you regret, at all, all the lying you’ve done”
“All the what?” Trump asked.
“All the lying, all the dishonesties?”
“That who has done?” Trump said.
“You have done.”
“Uh”
He quickly moved on.
I mean, we know he does! But evidence is better than blanket accusation.
They spent 4 years being mad about the 2020 election and now they are mad because they can’t make us mad.
I haven't seen that right wing critics, however.
Constantly, the right wingers, women included, do not seem to be all that happy.
Such hatred is self-destructive.