I mean, fascists are weird, when you really, REALLY think about it. They are completely mindfucked into thinking empathy for your fellow humans is a negative trait. And they completely worship mediocre divorced dads and semi-sentient walking tumors. All before going into their weird AI imagery.
This is why I really hate seeing liberals and lefties using genAI slop for political messaging. It’s very firmly fascist-coded and, since it looks like cheap garbage, I’m happy to leave it to them. (But point that out to a lib who shares AI pics and hoo boy they get defensive.)
I've gotten the oh-so-reasonable "I see why you think that," but not a single one has answered the question, "What purpose does this serve that can't be filled by a simple paint program?"
I just mute / block / blacklist / boycott genai users/devs/businesses by default.
Dont care about whatever mental gymnastics or political leanings they have that makes them think its okay - they can gtfo of my sight.
Just mock them and then banish them to the shadowrealm.
From my experience most people already do this. The arguments about it being bad for the environment and stuff are to defend disliking AI-art to people who actually care about that. For fascists or content-farmers, mocking is more common. People have a sense for who cares about morals.
This is Mel Brooks’ central thesis: the best way to defeat Nazi ideology (not Nazi power, mind) is to laugh at it. They’re desperately self-impt. Debate legitimizes them Derision exposes them
It’s a really good talking point. AI art looks really cheap, it’s got that feel of vapidness like when Minions became the primary meme format for old people on Facebook, if you know what I mean.
I’m not sure what it is about it, but even traced AI work stands out and looks weird.
I always read it as because AI doesn't really prioritize anything. If one part of the image is detailed to a certain level, the entire image is. Because of this AI doesn't have any sense for composition, and the image feels dull due to lack of any message thanks to lack of any focal points or focus
This is and has always been the case, and it’s why leftists trying to use moral condemnation as a method to fight fascism never has and never really will work since the proud rejection of moral standards is one of the main appeals of fascism as an ideology.
Fascism is an ideology of *intense* narcissism, and so naturally the best method to destroy it is to completely destroy the very fragile ego of the people that believe in it as bluntly as possible. Intellectualism or emotional isn’t going to faze them whatsoever.
Wait. They're actually *proud* of GenAI singlehandedly throwing off the planet's water cycle for the first time in recorded history? Do they think they're immune from the consequences of that?
So figure out how to punish their ego. They're all about inflating it, talking big, being edgelords.
But it's such a shallow thing. Like, they're really desperately just seeking approval of themselves without any work to improve so they've found the worst possible cope community.
I keep telling folks the environmental angle is an ineffective argument. If someone isn't moved by individual injury (eg art theft), they're sure not going to be swayed by collective injury. One death is a tragedy but a million is a statistic, y'know?
Oh it is as simple as, they are selfish and lazy… I mean do you really have to go through such length to something that is pretty obvious when you think about?
Laughter is one of the critical tools in the kit because it prises apart the rhetorical armor fascists shield themselves in, the flat earth they try to build overtop of us all; To laugh at a fascist is to point out their attempt to assert a fake reality over our own has failed.
great. young democrats didn't vote. we can laugh at their AI all we wish, on November 5th, it didn't matter, after everything, after a Million dead from Trump inept COVID response, and the binary choice between the continuation of Democracy and Fascist disasembly, it didn't matter
Much of this strategy will stop working in six months to a year as AI continues to "upgrade." My intuition says don't rely on arguments like "Hahaha AI is so bad" when AI-generated writing, art, 3D printing, cheeseburgers will soon be "better" than what the average human is capable of producing.
This is treated as inevitable, but I'm not convinced it is.
I agree that a segment of the population can't tell the difference, but that's not new - a large segment of the population can't tell the difference between CGI and practical effects and critters still make fun of those.
But the idea that "this is the worst its ever going to be" - this is not actually a thing that's held true for a lot of tech products.
Most of these models aren't really profitable right now, and they are only just now getting to the point where they start ingesting more AI slop themselves.
The fundamental weaknesses don't get talked about to the same degree as with LLMs, but they're still there, and I don't know that the current models are going to get better at solving them any time soon.
It's possible that the future might be roughly the same, and that commercial models get worse.
I *don't* think this was your point! But "this is inevitable" is a common talking point - and it's used to avoid the fact that pretty much none of this is profitable, that the scaling methods don't seem to be working very well, and that critters regularly CAN tell when something is AI, and hate it.
What might end up happening is that the many critters who can't tell the difference treat it like something to be embarrassed about - the same way they treat not being able to tell if a photo is photoshoped.
I don't really believe in the inevitability of anything except change and death. 😂 So yeah, to me, inevitability is not a reason to acquiesce to the Broligarchy. It *will* come to pass if we do nothing at all! And I hear your point that AI-gen text/art won't necessarily get super good—
Babe, I'm a Sex Magician I know they are turned off 😂 I'm trying to do my part to turn them back on. The growing popularity of AI is rooted in the same soul death that makes West Coasters paint every surface gray when they flip houses. They're not doing it cuz it feels good, they're doing it...
At the end of the day genai techbros will always rely on some else's tech & a regular pencil can beat them. They're useless & will remain useless. Plus, AI is cheap & will remain cheap, no matter how good devs will make it. So there 3 eternal spots free to hit
My argument is that people experiment with AI a bit, see the tricks behind it, and this demystifies AI truly: repetitive circling about in text, or kitch lighting of imagery becomes so obvious. That makes it tacky and a huge turn off. Kitch remains kitch, no matter how “perfect” the making of it is.
it might take longer than that for ai slop to become indistinguishable enough from human output to fool most people, but ultimately you’re right and you should say it: the goal is to dupe as much of the audience as possible. going “nuh-uh can’t fool me” is only going to work until you get fooled
and people HAVE been fooled! i see people unable to tell ai photos and drawings from real ones all the time now! ai slop peddlers aren’t going to arrive kindly with a blaring THIS IS AI sign for much longer, i don’t think that will be their intent, they’re selling this tech rn to other scam artists
but eventually they will try to integrate its output as seamlessly as possible into the “real world”, as they are trying now (why do you think they made deepfakes). sorry no one seems to be getting what you’re putting down
Well, I'm reassured that some people are paying attention — like you! Something that's crossed my mind recently is how AI + advanced robotics (right around the corner, at this pt) will jive with the low worth citizens of the imperial core place on human life. Is the Broligarchy trying to...
Yes, I've seen a couple photos that fooled me on first glance. It was someone else pointing it out that drew my attention to it. The subjects were mundane, but even so, I was surprised that I sort of took them at face value. I also don't like the idea of developing "AI paranoia." 😮💨
This cedes a lot of ground rhetorically that you definitely shouldn't concede. This rhetoric asks them to make it better to fix our qualms. Don't downplay how evil it is to attack people's livelihood.
You can do both. Call the fascists weirdos who like worthless garbage and tell normal people how bad it is for the environment. You aren't convincing fascists with facts, just mock them relentlessly for being utterly pathetic.
At the end of the day we will always be able to laugh at them for the sole reason of them being so useless for society that even a pencil can beat them. If being ridiculed is the only way to make them shut they give us a lot of reasons to do it.
Plus AI will always be cheap, so
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Dont care about whatever mental gymnastics or political leanings they have that makes them think its okay - they can gtfo of my sight.
Just mock them and then banish them to the shadowrealm.
Bluesky would do itself a service by having a 'report-to-block' AI button. Weed that shit out.
Then he got punched, and afterwards everyone saw what an unserious dork he really was.
Fascists thrive on feeling strong, so the way to beat them is to remind them & show everyone else how weak they really are.
I’m not sure what it is about it, but even traced AI work stands out and looks weird.
Actually talking of the vitues of how they're doing something bad to something you like makes them feel good. It gives them a ego trip.
It's not that they don't care about these things, they're actually seeking to hurt the things you care about.
But it's such a shallow thing. Like, they're really desperately just seeking approval of themselves without any work to improve so they've found the worst possible cope community.
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Nikki and the Barbs were BIG mad about this one. Because Del was spot on.
Especially now where we are in a website that we, you know, can block others for bad takes.
Crash Bandicoot was a satirical series that wasn't afraid to take potshots at the black market.
It's why Weird caught on.
-Thomas Moore
I agree that a segment of the population can't tell the difference, but that's not new - a large segment of the population can't tell the difference between CGI and practical effects and critters still make fun of those.
Most of these models aren't really profitable right now, and they are only just now getting to the point where they start ingesting more AI slop themselves.
It's possible that the future might be roughly the same, and that commercial models get worse.
What might end up happening is that the many critters who can't tell the difference treat it like something to be embarrassed about - the same way they treat not being able to tell if a photo is photoshoped.
Things that are uncool tend to stay that way.
You can visibly see a decline in its usage by the general pop from 2 years ago.
Plus AI will always be cheap, so
We know how bad AI art is. Pro-AI fascists also know how bad it is, and care more about not being ridiculed.