Truly remarkable failure to meet the moment. The us has openly said that negotiations were a distraction tactic. Carney consistently trying to both-sides issues - ThreadSky

steveboots.bsky.social • 3 days ago

Truly remarkable failure to meet the moment. The us has openly said that negotiations were a distraction tactic. Carney consistently trying to both-sides issues

Reposted from Global News (Official)

Prime Minister Mark Carney has called for a de-escalation of hostilities in the Middle East and for parties to “return immediately to the negotiating table.”

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houghtmusic.bsky.social•3 days ago

You don’t honestly believe that “the us has openly said that negotiations were a distraction tactic”, come on, they act based upon a fragile ego and he felt like he was being mocked so he acted impulsively.

sovietmoose.bsky.social•2 days ago

You don't honestly believe that all of this is just trump lashing out right? You can't seriously believe that the US purposefully trying to start a war of aggression under a fascist whose trying to become a dictator was on a whim.

Next you're gonna tell me Hitler invaded Poland cuz they mocked him.

houghtmusic.bsky.social•2 days ago

redgewayf.bsky.social•3 days ago

Carney and by extension the Canadian government, have tactically approved the bombing of nuclear facilities, which is explicitly against international law.

misshelle.bsky.social•3 days ago

His need to be as vanilla as possible is unhelpful for anyone right now.

wildplumbay.bsky.social•3 days ago

Getting the sense that the G7 knew this was coming and are secretly happy the U.S. did this. They all have identical speaking points: Iran cannot have nuclear weapons. Feeling very sick about all of this. Threading the line between pro-Israel and anti-Israel voters is a problem in politics now.

dangocurt.bsky.social•2 days ago

Obama also stated Iran can’t have nukes. Did Obama bomb Iran? No, he signed a deal with Iran instead and several other countries that had the “same talking points” agreed with Obama.

Stating Iran shouldn’t get nukes doesn’t mean you agree with bombing them.

redshan.bsky.social•3 days ago

No other Canadian PM would have stated anything else at this moment. What was he supposed to do condemn the US? Congratulate the US? It's not called both-sides, it's called diplomacy! This is not a lib defending him, just stating the obvious.

steveboots.bsky.social•3 days ago

Yes. He could speak out against the unprompted bombing of a nation who was not pursuing nuclear weapons. How many people die before humanity outweighs placating the United States? How long until it’s us?

redshan.bsky.social•3 days ago

what would that gain our country? nothing. diplomacy is not for everyone.

steveboots.bsky.social•3 days ago

So where’s your line? How many countries can Israel, and now the us, bomb, before you care? Was Syria, Lebanon, gaza, and Iran not enough?

taejonguy.bsky.social•3 days ago

No one cares what Canada thinks in Israel... hell, they ignore pretty much everyone. Sanctions need to be leveled. The USA is much harder to deal with. Strong language is going to matter and our influence is at an all-time low.

naykrop.bsky.social•3 days ago

Is this not also (and perhaps primarily) Canada placating Israel, which is an extremely dangerous country to make an enemy of?

steveboots.bsky.social•3 days ago

Dangerous how? Israel isn’t going to attack a nato country because we didn’t endorse their unprompted war

naykrop.bsky.social•3 days ago

Do you always answer what could be a legitimate question by being so aggressive?

steveboots.bsky.social•3 days ago

What aggression was there? I answered your question.

interruptingsea.bsky.social•2 days ago

Gonna swim against the tide, here: we only know what he’s said publicly. But all this is still tied to an agressive US who will take any chance to find offence and make our lives more miserable. Cynical? Pragmatic? Yes.

sovietmoose.bsky.social•2 days ago

Holy fucking shit, all that matters is what he says publically. That's what 7 billion human beings hear. He represents Canada and his private conversations are not broadcast. Oh also when has appeasing trump worked? Everything we've done to appease him didn't stop harm.

sovietmoose.bsky.social•2 days ago

Fentanyl that didn't exist coming from Canada? We agreed with Trump's lie and he still went after us. NATO funding? We've moved to increase it and the US got pissy it wasn't enough. Supporting their acts against Iran? Unless we go arm in arm with them they will not be happy.

interruptingsea.bsky.social•2 days ago

Beyond the requirement to modulate Canada’s public statements, as a country we have been in a *permanent* state of hostility with the Iranian regime. We are represented diplomatically in Tehran by the UK and we expelled their Ambassador over a decade ago. Or did you forget they killed a

interruptingsea.bsky.social•2 days ago

Canadian Iranian for taking pictures of Evin Prison - after they tortured her for days? While I don’t think the US getting played by ISR into bombing Iran is great, this regime getting a bomb is bad in ways a short search online would help you understand.

interruptingsea.bsky.social•2 days ago

The bombing was lawless, feckless and just plain dumb. But Iran’s regime is among the most horrid in the planet. Do I think the Trump regime has the competency to do anything right? No. That said, I’m not fussed by what the PM said.

moniz.bsky.social•3 days ago

Cue the LPC simps telling us how “PP would’ve been so much worse!”. Yes, but that doesn’t make Carney better, just less worse. And yes, there is a semantic difference.

drmajalis.bsky.social•3 days ago

He really really wants that trade deal with Trump that Trump totally wont rip up exactly like he did the first one he negotiated

barrhavenist.bsky.social•3 days ago

Maybe it’s bad that we don’t elect politicians to political office anymore

langenfeld.bsky.social•1 day ago

To be honest, we didn't really try to elect mark carney, we just tried to make sure PP didn't
get elected.

dragosinja.bsky.social•3 days ago

To be fair, "recent" Canadian politicians haven't been guiding lights of moral courage either.

eleshplays.bsky.social•2 days ago

Ugh. I don't know why I even hope for better anymore...

dawhack.bsky.social•3 days ago

It is remarkable how many world "leaders" still believe in a strongly worded letter. As always money talks and rules walk.

adah905.bsky.social•1 day ago

Canada was part of starting this mess by supporting Zionists while the UN granted them part of British Palestine after WW2. It is tragic how Pearson was all about peacekeeping and diplomacy while that chain of events lead to more war. We need to be part of solution. We need peace.

dandb.bsky.social•3 days ago

I think the big lesson coming out of this (for countries who haven't already learned this lesson the hard way) is that negotiating with the US is not only pointless but dangerous.

This is going to cause nuclear proliferation imho.

dandb.bsky.social•3 days ago

The lesson from Ukraine is don't give up your nukes for anything, ever.

The less from Iran is don't stop developing your nukes because you need them yesterday.

To be clear, this sucks, and makes the world a much more dangerous place.

dtann.bsky.social•3 days ago

How does any country ever trust the US ever again? The US is incapable of negotiating in good faith.

madhi19.bsky.social•2 days ago

Hard to speak softly and carry a big stick when you hardly own a twig... And you don't even have the tools to make a big stick of your own yet.

alanstange.bsky.social•2 days ago

I think the you are right. Iran has been reported as funding proxy conflicts with Israel for some time.

niml.bsky.social•3 days ago

his only goal is to keep the markets stable. yay neo-liberalism.

wtf47.bsky.social•2 days ago

This statement is a betrayal of the very principles rhat Carney used to get elected.

We can't demand our sovereignty be respected while cheering on or even simply condoning the violation of someone else's.

Sovereignty has to be universally recognized, otherwise it's a meaningless concept.

themeaningofliff.bsky.social•3 days ago

I wonder what PM Mork will say when the US says all the 'negotiations' with Canada over a trade deal were also just a distraction.

tangibullah.bsky.social•2 days ago

Carney doing what his Neoliberal Order demands.

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