The answer, as it has always been for at least the last fifty years, is that the Labour party exist to be bedblockers, taking up the space where a progressive party could be, and vehemently opposing any constitutional changes that might create a space for an actual alternative. - ThreadSky

andrewhickey.500songs.com • 6 days ago

The answer, as it has always been for at least the last fifty years, is that the Labour party exist to be bedblockers, taking up the space where a progressive party could be, and vehemently opposing any constitutional changes that might create a space for an actual alternative.

Reposted from Caroline Dodds Pennock

Well, at least this has the benefit of clarity. So let me be clear. Keir Starmer and the Labour Party are dead as a progressive force. They don’t care about working people, poor people, marginalised people, or human rights. What on earth are they for? www.bbc.com/news/article...

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owainsutton.bsky.social•6 days ago

The ouroboros is right there, at the start of the party constitution:

"1.1 This organisation shall be known as ‘The Labour
Party’ (hereinafter referred to as ‘the Party’).

1.2. Its purpose is to organise and maintain in
Parliament and in the country a political Labour
Party."

flintlock.bsky.social•6 days ago

I really think people have to accept that the "work with Labour and move them to the left" experiment has now failed repeatedly and is a proven non starter.

andrewhickey.500songs.com•6 days ago

But surely *this* time Lucy won't move the football? Remember when she left it in place that one time in 1966? Or when in 2004 the European Court *forced* her to keep it in place? That shows her good faith, right?

andrewhickey.500songs.com•6 days ago

Just look at what happened in Scotland. The SNP has its own issues of course, but as soon as there was a proportionally-elected Parliament there, other voices started to be heard, and the two-party Labour/Tory duopoly was permanently shattered there.

andrewhickey.500songs.com•6 days ago

I don't like the Scottish Parliament system as it puts far too much power in the party hierarchies -- STV is still the best system I've ever seen. But any real democratic system would lead to a plurality of voices and choices.

andrewhickey.500songs.com•6 days ago

And that is the important thing the Labour Party shares at its core with the Conservative Party. Both are convinced that they are the *only* legitimate power, and that that power must only be used to perpetuate their power when in Government, and maximise their chances of gaining it when out.

andrewhickey.500songs.com•6 days ago

Plurality and multiple voices and diversity are inimical to both. You have a choice of which of two near-identical boxes to be fit into, and if you don't fit perfectly, don't worry, we'll cut off the bits that stick out.

andrewhickey.500songs.com•6 days ago

For all both parties' faults, this is not a problem with either the Lib Dems or Greens, which is why both are at least sometimes actually progressive, and why they're the only two parties I could ever (depending on candidate) advocate a vote for in England.

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