I find it weird she got more hate for supporting Biden while still, publicly, criticizing Israel than Bernie did … like she was harassed by activists on the street , which is fair enough, but I never saw anything similar happening to Bernie …
once you have supported Hamas you have supported genocide, Once you have supported Putler, you have supported genocide, once you have supported the Orange GodKing, you have supported genocide, once you have supported any of the groups supported by these people, you have supported genocide..Greens ..
I don’t feel the need to insult you like some people here! I feel this way all the time. ACAB. But these aren’t IDF soldiers. I don’t think think we can free Palestine with fewer allies. Popular socialist political leaders who have gone against the grain to support a ceasefire? Yeah I’m into it.
You expect to succeed in throwing out Trump by being all purity? Basically, fully support my position or gfy! Do you even want to stop Trump? And all this "period." business sounds tough, but that sounds like self-centredness to make everyone believe what u believe. Come on man, shit's real now.
The even bigger problem to me is that its now super controversial to take a hard stance against genocide. To the point that many democratic voters will call you pro genocide for being anti genocide. A free vote is vital for democracy people, hold your party accountable, or it only gets worse...
yeah, that's really bad. Was it any better when Dems supported genocide in Gaza? Or is your problem free and fair elections where people have the right to vote or withhold their vote if no one represents them? Is democracy the problem?
Do what you want with your vote. Personally, I plan to vote for less human suffering in America and around the world, not more. If you feel differently, then Trump is your ideal candidate.
No, i don't feel differently. I just don't think voting for genocide supporters is less human suffering. So maybe neither of our parties should do crimes against humanity? But certainly the resistance should have standards no? By not having standards they handed the election to Trump.
Its almost like if you do evil shit, good people will not like it. But evil people already had the evil party. So now all you have is people who cannot reconcile the evil stuff and end up fighting people who make the "controversial" claim that genocide is bad. I don't think that's a great strategy.
Why can't a presidential candidate take a stand against Israel? Because America's seniors support Israel. And they vote.. in every election.. like their country depends on it. You want candidates to listen to you over them? Then vote... if you ever get another chance.
There are no minimum standards in politics. That's not how it works. You go to the voting booth, Every Single Time, and you make your best choice from the options available. Then you go to work supporting someone who you hope to vote for next time. 2024 was an easy vote for anyone who gives a crap.
Its a representative democracy buddy, that means you elect people to represent you. They earn our vote, not the other way around. I'm glad you feel the Dems represent you, i used to feel the same way. But genocide does not represent me, does it represent you? Or did you turn a blind eye to evil?
And incidentally, Trump hasn't done a lot for Gaza either. That is, unless you think it will be a win to bulldoze the whole place and put up beach front condos for Russian oligarchs.
The "but dems support genocide, so Trump" is stupid in a way rarely seen outside of MAGA circles.
The get no where fast type politics that allowed a percentage of voters to feel justified doing nothing to help. We're going to death camps and you're still acting like a retard.
Better than anti electoralism and being no better than the leftist/liberals that let nazi Germany. Keep doing nothing as they send you to a South American death camp.
Yes, as an autistic individual who has been called that slur of yours plenty of times, i will indeed be one of the first. They are literally paving the way for us as we speak. Just like in Nazi Germany. Thanks for helping attack us, very nice. Be better you little baby
This is embarrassing for you. You clearly learned absolutely nothing from the election and your false righteousness. People like you pushed the country in this direction in a protest vote and for what? Did they rebuild Gaza yet? Has Trump saved them?
Nah this sucks man. Who are you lifting up instead??? Want a Jill Stien or a Claudia De La Cruz or something?
Shit is just never good enough for you people. In order to gain and utilize power, you need a broader base of support than just the "always online leftist" crowd.
Ya gotta speak to Normies!
The alternative is to ask the fucking Democratic party to not run with conservatives, but progressives. It has nothing to do with Stein, she is a grifter anyway.
BTW, I do not agree with the OP's take on Bernie and AOC.
I've been told there is no alternative, eitherteleport into the past and perform a Jill stein miracle or something, or we all arbeit Mach freit in RFK wrongthink camps while Trumpzis run amok. These people do not care about actual human lives or solving problems.
Fascism, that's their alternative. But at least when people start being flown to El Salvadorean concentration camps by the thousands you'll be able to think back smugly on your own plane ride about how you never compromised your beliefs...
It's been about 100 years, and many learned nothing.
You look like you invented Stormfront. I’ve never seen a more racist Yakubian skull shape in my life. You look like you dream of consuming Black flesh.
America has much larger problems that, if handled incorrectly, will make the Nazi regime look like boy scouts. Hitler didn't have nukes, a trillion dollar military, civilian spying networks, militarized police, the list goes on.
Well do I have a story for you about me beating the ass of an IOF soldier back in 05 during some joint training. Thanks for reminding me of a fond memory from 20 years ago.
You really just don't get it do you? Israel is PEANUTS compared to what the US could become under an unhinged tyrant. That's a lethal force the world has never seen before. Imagine Gaza, but it's half the globe and thousands of times worse.
Right? Now’s the time to think about what the possibilities are, not to copy the past. We all have to live on this earth, how about some serious policies that improve all countries, even small improvements Anyhow, I’m pretty rageful, so I canceled my Amazon account, and now I feel better.
Show us a better option and then we'll consider your argument, but until then you're just talking nonsense. You never even cite any sources. All you do is attack AOC and Bernie—no criticism for Trump.
Jill Stein will crawl back out of her hole in 3 years, just in time to grift them again. It’s hilarious, so many are disillusioned w the Democratic Party right now, a serious third party leader would be seizing the opportunity to expand. And yet…I’ve seen nothing from her
Third party is such a bad joke. You’re asking for a president that only gets 34% of the total vote. Since only about 30 percent even vote you would get presidents that 11 percent of Americans voted for. Such a bad idea. Also watching that third party flip flop would be terrible. We need better plans
That means they're smart. It would be far more effective for opposition parties to criticize Republicans for DOING NOTHING to prevent the current dismantling of our Republic, than to give them a free pass by acting like MAGA is some extremist version of the GOP instead of the mainstream of the GOP.
And a couple with some subtle praise. It's either a plant or a moral absolutist can't help but appreciate the game of their fellow absolutists across the field.
Sounds like a hater to me. AOC is for a ceasefire and Bernie has said in hearings that he considers it a genocide. Please delete this post to avoid further self-humiliation😬
you couldn't vote for Harris because she supported Israel genocide, but you didn't mind letting Trump win, because Trump never has been a genocide supporter & he's famously pro Palestine, wait....
You're misplacing your anger again. The Democratic Party doesn't own anyone's vote. They should earn it. They failed. Blame them, maybe next time they finally learn from the loss. End of story. (and the OP is wrong about AOC and Bernie)
Americans are both naive and selfish. Naive 'cause believe you can let a dictator in, and you still think you will be able to elect someone else if the Dems have a better candidate next time. Selfish because you are one issue voters who don't give a shit about how this impact the rest of the world
People who are ready to let trump win to teach Dems a lesson don't care about the Palestinians or the more vulnerable Americans they will hurt by doing so, and certainly don't give a fuck about how letting trump back will wreck the rest of the world. So no, my anger is not misplaced.
Americans are also braindead stupid because they think any party owns their votes by default, just because they reach the bare minimum of not being a set out fascist, they are only corporate conservatives with fascist tendencies. (no health care for you because my son is dead - type of bullshit).
Americans have a responsibility to the world, because since you are the more powerful contry and a democracy, you can choose, and what you choose impact the world. But you don't give a shit about that, most of you can't even place other continents on the map. But that's over now, you've tossed it.
This type of reductionism is just silly. I grew up in Europe before I chose the other continent, I know politics, geography and all those things. I learned it. And in my experience, this notion about Americans being stupid is mostly false. You shouldn't believe everything you find on the internet.
So vote for a useless third party while the fourth reich takes power over the greatest military force the world has ever seen, a giant nuclear arsenal, militarized police forces ready to go, a vast digital spying network, sea borders, etc.
My criticisms of Bernie, when voiced to the same neolibs who ironically did NOT support him in ‘16 or ‘20, are met with “no one is perfect!” Like OK-ing genocide and stomping on the 1st amendment are just tiny flaws. Ugh
Purity = luxury. With the way things are going in the US, anyone opposing Trump is going to need a more army-mentality and do this whole solidarity thing. Or not. But the RW know solidarity, they just don't call it that. This OP, if she is one of millions who think like this, is doomed to fail.
Trump may deport anyone because the Democrats cosplayed as conservatives and they rather ran with the Cheneys. I do not agree with the OP on AOC and Bernie.
I'm so sick of these idots still spouting the "genocide" bullshit. You don't like Israel, ok, I'm not fond of them either. I fuckin hate broccoli, but I've got 99 problems and that ain't one. muted
Israel is absolutely a problem and absolutely are committing a genocide and many Democrats allowed it by voting to give more aid to them during the war. Every Democrat and Republican who voted for that deserves to be on trial for war crimes IMHO
Let me know when Simone Weil runs for office. Until then, we have to get our hands dirty and make moral compromises to achieve marginal improvements to the world. Abdicating from the Democratic process, regardless of your reason, is how you end up ruled by evil tyrants.
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Just say that you ❤️ genocide already!
You have no opinions in that case
Not sure why those lyrics are in my head rn.
And he's also doing quite a lot to endager Americans.
Now what?
The "but dems support genocide, so Trump" is stupid in a way rarely seen outside of MAGA circles.
Shit is just never good enough for you people. In order to gain and utilize power, you need a broader base of support than just the "always online leftist" crowd.
Ya gotta speak to Normies!
BTW, I do not agree with the OP's take on Bernie and AOC.
It's been about 100 years, and many learned nothing.
America has much larger problems that, if handled incorrectly, will make the Nazi regime look like boy scouts. Hitler didn't have nukes, a trillion dollar military, civilian spying networks, militarized police, the list goes on.
We have much bigger problems.
You think you’re smart. I know I am. Hence why you think you’re telling me things I don’t already know.
Why don't you just tell them you don't believe in the reality in which we all live!
Israel never had the right to defend itself, point blank period.
He isn't supporting Israel in this instance. He is saying their actions in Palestine are wrong
We have our own problems.
please, let us grovel at your feet because you'll sacrifice our democracy and history over one political position.
Like I gaf about your opinion.
First, I absolutely concur that fascist collaborators & enablers are not viable options and that should be a hard red line.
Second, I'm sick of hearing them dismiss the viability of other candidates who also haven't endorsed fascism and genocide.
I'm quite confident there're more than 2.
i get it, you really want to cast your vote for biden in 2028
So OP, I think you're either (a) very confused about the facts, or else (b) making some rather troubling assumptions.
Seriously, show me where/how
Never mind