That's also the kind of argument that Reed, for example, has always made against race-focused rather than class-focused solutions to racially disparate patterns of economic inequality. And the whole point of Chibber's book The Class Matrix is almost the opposite of the alleged "abstraction." - ThreadSky

benburgis.bsky.social • 24 days ago

That's also the kind of argument that Reed, for example, has always made against race-focused rather than class-focused solutions to racially disparate patterns of economic inequality. And the whole point of Chibber's book The Class Matrix is almost the opposite of the alleged "abstraction."

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benburgis.bsky.social•24 days ago

The whole thing's just a mess.

ha3ape.bsky.social•24 days ago

But the argument that you and other American socialists advocate is that addressing income inequality with unions and healthcare removes the need for policies like DEI. It doesn’t. Also hiding behind adolph reed when people call you out for racial chauvinism is so I have a black friend. So let’s not

charlottewaves.bsky.social•24 days ago

yeah like if seminars by HR telling people not to use slurs or sexually harass women are such a cudgel against work class movements that speaks poorly of the working class in general

charlottewaves.bsky.social•24 days ago

If by DEI Ben means Robin DiAngelo screeds about how being on time is white supremacy then I'm sure Jamelle would agree. But if Ben just scoffs at efforts to increase diversity in the workplace in general he's being a class reductionist.

ha3ape.bsky.social•24 days ago

DEI is also more than that. Making workplaces accessible is DEI, maternity leave, remote work in the event of disability, including different racial demographics in medical studies and testing medical devices etc. Robin Di Angelo is a foil these people use to avoid the fact they don’t hate WS enough

drkuba.bsky.social•24 days ago

If that’s how you define DEI, then of course opposition to it is suspect. That is, however, far from a universal definition and pretty obviously not what Ben or any of Bouie’s other targets meant by it.

bosmerfemale.bsky.social•23 days ago

The problem is that DEI refers to a whole bunch of things, some of which are good and some of which are bad

https://www.carlbeijer.com/p/live-and-let-dei?r=3tefv4&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false

I like knowing that my nurse isn't going to misgender me, but I can't stand DiAngelo style consultants.

ha3ape.bsky.social•24 days ago

If the argument is that DEI is not effective and there should be more aggressive means of enforcing civil rights legislation that’s fine.

ha3ape.bsky.social•24 days ago

I pointed out on my own profile that countries with stronger union representation, like Klanada, still face the same racial disparities in the job market with the added effect that union representation is racially stratified.

ha3ape.bsky.social•24 days ago

Like for example, in response to an NYT post regarding unions being more effective than DEI, the agreement you express seems to argue that if we just had unions or universal healthcare racial disparities would vanish and wouldn’t require targeted solutions.

ha3ape.bsky.social•24 days ago

I dunno bro, American socialism like the one you peddle comes with chauvanistic/apartheid characteristics. You like to pretend that white supremacy and its permutations like settler colonialism aren’t a whole ass political economy that creates and maintains inequities

blacknihilist21.bsky.social•24 days ago

Also, Jemelle’s entire point is that the right-wing is trying to bring back Jim Crow era racial segregation.

That’s more pervasive and insidious than objecting to corporate DEI programs.

There’s a legitimate argument to be had that corporate DEI programs are ineffective, but…

blacknihilist21.bsky.social•24 days ago

….that’s not what the right-wing is objecting to

marksrq1971.bsky.social•14 days ago

The turn away from universalism is also problematic. Susan Nieman makes this point well in her 2023 book Left is Not Woke.

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