Interesting, though I don't find that surprising. Most people who pursue MW do not come from an extensive wine service background. And what gives confidence with wax capsules is lots of experience with opening them table side. Especially the crack-ily ones. While your guest eyes you warily. - ThreadSky

milestraveled.bsky.social • 12 days ago

Interesting, though I don't find that surprising.

Most people who pursue MW do not come from an extensive wine service background.

And what gives confidence with wax capsules is lots of experience with opening them table side.

Especially the crack-ily ones.

While your guest eyes you warily.

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davidroundmw.bsky.social•12 days ago

But the point is that MWs have vastly more experience of opening bottles than most wine drinkers.

maticomp.net•11 days ago

Now I wonder why wine should need any "experience" to be opened. I appreciate why wax is used, and that there are better and worse offenders in that department, but if any closure introduces friction to the user it's, err, bad UX.

davidroundmw.bsky.social•11 days ago

Yes, exactly. And it really struck me that if even MWs really don't want the hassle, where does that leave even a fairly engaged wine drinker, let alone a casual drinker who wants to splash out on something a bit special?

maticomp.net•11 days ago

I'm a bit of a wax hater after fighting several bottles over a family dinner and a white tablecloth, not doing so by the side like a somm would do, but simply sitting on the couch like everyone does at home. But I have to say I've been having less crumbly wax lately, and more of those mallable ones.

davidroundmw.bsky.social•11 days ago

Yes, the wax is generally much better and I personally don’t have much problem opening them. But it just seems like an unnecessary barrier to put up to indulge a rather obscure fetish.

wbwine.bsky.social•11 days ago

Not a huge wax lover here (particularly when they’ve covered half the bottle in the damn stuff). Maybe makers don’t do it to please the people opening multiple bottles for a living. They do it so that the people paying for the “premium” wine feel a sense of occasion. Adds to the ritual = £££

milestraveled.bsky.social•11 days ago

Oooh I love a good closures debate.

I mostly agree with you! But then wouldn’t it follow that all wine closures should be screwcap?

OTR can be managed for the need of the wine, so that’s not an argument against.

Doesn’t it all come down to THE experience? Which you sometimes need experience for..

maticomp.net•11 days ago

I'm a techie, and me myself - I'd be totally cool with screwcaps everywhere. I know that pulling corks is sort of a magical act and have some tactical pleasure, but I never ever thought a good Wachau is a lesser wine because of not having that. Especially now, when OTR is pretty well understood.

maticomp.net•11 days ago

Having said that, a Durand is very high on my wishlist of things to have... so I'm perhaps contradicting myself. 😅

milestraveled.bsky.social•11 days ago

Well, you wouldn’t need a Durand if everything was put under screwcap! 😜

Or, at least, in the future you wouldn’t need a Durand….

P.S. I found a really great knock-off on eBay that works perfectly, was about $25 and, bonus, is shaped like the Starship Enterprise D.

janetrad.bsky.social•11 days ago

I can slice a capsule and pull a cork in 5 seconds 😆 but wax....all over the place. But does it matter?

davidroundmw.bsky.social•11 days ago

I see little argument against using screwcaps for everything. And I see the number of people who want an "experience" that involves more than getting out a corkscrew as being vanishingly small.

milestraveled.bsky.social•12 days ago

Answer to the question of why Belle Glos put pull tabs on their wax capsules (or wax covered bottles, more accurately).

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