Biden isn't in an ideal position heading into 2024. But on the economy, he's in great shape, and really doesn't get the credit he deserves when one considers the shambles he inherited in January 2021.
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Was trying to find that @volts.wtf post over on ex-Twitter where he went through the accomplishments of the Biden Admin.
Can't find it and someone here thought I was joking, but now I don't see their quote-post of mine. Maybe they blocked me or deleted it on seeing the point about memory.
Note: A lot of us became homeless under Biden. A lot of us are dying of poverty in Biden's America.
Overall, the outlook may be bright, but please have the grace not to mock those of us who fell through the cracks & are saying so. Because it would literally take a magic wand to save us now.
Hey, uh, Biden continued basically all of Trump's policies. He's also leading the genocide of the Palestinian people. Get the absolute fuck outta here with your Blue No Matter Who horseshit.
You and all are your friends are braindead losers. Please just refrain from participating in politics real or imagined. We told all you jackinapes in 2016 it would be the end of bodily autonomy for women and you laughed and voted for Jill Stein. You are insufferable and without empathy.
Thankfully only a small number of people share in your inability to remove your head from your ass. It works in our favor that you guys are equal parts stupid, lazy, and selfish.
Worked out great for everyone especially the countless dead bodies because of the mis-handled pandemic...but again choosing to make that possible again just proves your bottomless reserve of ignorance. If you weren't so inescapably idiotic I would pity you.
The fact that Trump didn’t end up in a shallow grave by 2015 shows you that he’s not truly a threat to the elite liberal establishment. He’s the fascist cudgel that centrists need to compare themselves to in order to appear to have any sort of competence in governing.
Biden has presided over a historically robust jobs market, a renaissance in labor organizing, inflation that is much lower than our G7 peers, strong wage gains, and much more. You, meanwhile, are an anonymous chud on the internet. So you do you and I'll do me.
The inability of that side of this argument to distinguish between “the economy is doing great by relative, quantitative metrics” and “literally everyone in our society is in a good personal financial situation” would be hilarious if it weren’t so pathetic.
Did I say that? The post argues that the economy is in much better shape now than it was in January 2021 thanks to the progressive policies Biden supported
i've never seen a good analysis on how much of the job market/labor organizing is the direct result of over a million dead americans leaving hundreds of thousand of jobs needing to be filled vs actual government policy
Those workers fought and are fighting for that renaissance in worker rights. If they hadn’t picketed and marched and strike en masse, the democrats would have been happy to keep the status quo
You absolutely can't rule it out. Not just the over a million dead, but tons out of the workforce after retiring early due to Covid.
But the changes we have seen are real. The service industry; cooks, servers, many found better jobs due to the massive influx of money into tech companies.
Can you a name single US president in the last 50 years who would have treated Israel any better/differently? And how would a Trump presidency be better for any Muslims anywhere? I am not a dem or a rep, just interested in your thinking.
Surely the guy who moved the US embassy to Jerusalem in his first term and did so much to legitimize Israeli settlements in the Golan Heights that they named an entire neighborhood after him will totally reverse course and stand up for Palestine on his next go! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Heights
Yes. Biden has been awful, horrific on Palestine. Getting a 7th Republican apparatchik on the Supreme Court with Trump, Stephen Miller, and Steve Bannon in charge will show democrats the errors of their ways and things will improve.
At some point you dems stopped even trying to entice people to vote for your shitty candidate. The thing is, you knew Hillary was garbage. You know Biden is garbage. You know Kamala is garbage. You know how bad the garbage you peddling is. And so you don't even bother trying to convince us.
Been dealing with this nonsense since 2016. They know Hillary and Biden have nothing for us, so all they can do is accuse us of supporting Trump when we ask them for more.
“The economy” only really means anything to the profit margins of big corporations. It does fuckall for the majority of blue collar workers that are watching cost of living rise while their wages stagnate.
If nothing else, this cycle won’t lull voters into a sense that they don’t need to vote. Plus, every time Trump talks, there’s a person more determined to vote against him.
He’s sending weapons to an apartheid state with no oversight; fueling genocide; pays off the debts of the rich while screwing the poor; and wants to install the same racist border policies as trump
He’s sending weapons to an apartheid state with no oversight; fueling genocide; pays off the debts of the rich while screwing the poor; and wants to install the same racist border policies as trump
"He's insufficiently in love with Hamas and willing to hand-wave away the mass murder, rape and mutilation that took place on Oct 7.... therefore I will sit out the election and put Trump back in the WH, that will show mom and dad!"
There's a lot of trolling on social media from obvs russian bots & phony rw astroturf attempts (#Walkaway, anyone?) ...media both wants a horse race/loves watching Trump as much as in the '30 min empty podium' era.
It'll be close, b/c the country is divided. But I dont buy the anti-Biden narrative.
The poors 401ks and the poors investments are doing fine. Don't even act like the poors aren't raking it in, in the Biden economy. I know this one unhoused person who harvested a plethora of cardboard flat-screen boxes the day after Christmas. Get a job, libturd.
It really is striking to see this after living through actual economic downturns including the Great Recession. It feels like people are mad that the recession they were promised never happened.
It is kind of depressing to see an article about Biden and what he's done for the economy involve a bunch of screeching clowns blither about 'Israel/Gaza' yet again, yes. Since that somehow is tied to everything else, I guess?
Unfortunately, inflation really hit hard. It may be back under control now, but prices have risen and aren't coming down. People don't care what the stock market is doing, they care what's happening to their grocery bill and by that measure the economy sucks.
This is how the raises work. People who worked in grocery stores, had raises, their wages went up. Which is good. But their wages are paid by a grocery store. And how the store gets more money to pay them more? By raising prices for the goods sold.
True, but since COVID prices have risen faster than wages. Coincidently, corporate profits have risen even faster. Coincidently, absolutely no connection to price increases or inflation. Not causation at all. And CEO bonuses and stock buy-backs are also up, again pure coincidence.
Biden’s “in great shape on the economy?” Measured how, by the numbers that people who don’t agree don’t read? How do you imagine Joe Biden getting the “credit” on the economy that “he deserves” when people’s lived experience tells them otherwise (or they are innumerate and don’t care)?
Unfortunately, we're in a different world for politics, tribalism, and disinformation.
If you would watch any of the programming on Fox News, you'd think the US is in the midst of a depression. It's as if people are living in different realities.
… if y’all spent half the energy working toward meaningful legislation that you spend attacking journalists for not having your preferred spin, maybe things would move toward your preferred state of being?
I reject electoralism/legislation and I am indeed working towards my societal goals. It's not like I would get anywhere if I bent myself on legislation since I'm not, y'know, a senator or rep.
What Aaron doesn't realize is that the economy isn't measured by the stock market, jobs, or even poverty reduction. It's measured by the mood of your online clique.
Fair, but any examples would be cool. I’m extremely interested in the disconnect between the general macro indicators, which seem resolutely positive, and the experience of lots of ppl who (in good faith) feel like the economy is bad.
I respect your desire to be open minded but I'll need to give you a rain check. this is the longest I've spent on social media in months and I can feel a tumor coalescing in my prefrontal
ah ya got me! I guess that means I and everyone I know aren't struggling to pay the bills and the economy is wonderful /s! fuck off liberal and leave your bubble
What really sucks, is that "quality of life" and "the economy" are two different things that the average person easily conflates, but when grievances are aired to someone with economic knowledge, those grievances immediately get dismissed, instead of addressed.
Honestly, I have no idea beyond cost of living compared to median income. But I’m also not a finance person; just someone who is paying too much for rent.
I think it’s important to point out that the homeless population is a different set of people than the ones who can work full time. And that most are not working. It is a big difference from 2009.
I fully understand this and I guess I should pivot to ask why I or anyone else should give any amount of shits about the economy if it doesn't benefit us? and I'll still study econ but damn is it all bullshit
Yes. It’s all bullshit. You should still learn it. There’s lots of room for new thinking. I have been shocked about what isn’t considered in forecasting. Interesting data has come out as a result of the pandemic.
The truth is, that it depends on who’s doing the talking. Trust no one angle.
Peter, I am sorry that you are struggling. What people like Aaron are saying is that overall the economy is good. You are also correct in saying that some people are still struggling even as the economy is doing well.
You can define 'the economy' to mean whatever you want, but common usage means it deals with things that impact working class people like wages, employment, prices, etc. "The Economy" is going to exist and impact everyone whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
You’re correct about Biden not being in an ideal position —- but still he’s running. The economy may look good on paper but it loses everything in real life except for the rich. Our president should never support genocide. We are the USA and our pride in this country has been destroyed by that man
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Sadly, most folks can't remember what they had for lunch, so campaigning should really be done in the last few hours before people vote.
Can't find it and someone here thought I was joking, but now I don't see their quote-post of mine. Maybe they blocked me or deleted it on seeing the point about memory.
Yes there were consessions, (thanks Manchin), but I guess some people just want everything to happen all at once.
Good luck with that!
Folks can search this stuff as easily as I can.
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2023/06/report-card-bidens-accomplishments-on-climate-justice/
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/13/1186854511/biden-climate-jobs-voters
https://earthjustice.org/article/biden-administration-climate-scorecard
$700B for renewables and "green" initiatives (that will no doubt be gamed by corporations). That's unheard of.
The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act was also a significant win.
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lol ok.
Good luck with Trump as president - I'm sure he'll side with Palestinians (just like he's on Ukraine's side too!)
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Overall, the outlook may be bright, but please have the grace not to mock those of us who fell through the cracks & are saying so. Because it would literally take a magic wand to save us now.
pathetic
Poster: Biden has not solved decades long wage decline, therefore...
But the changes we have seen are real. The service industry; cooks, servers, many found better jobs due to the massive influx of money into tech companies.
STOP MAKING ME LEARN!
I am a serious thinker!
I’m sure everyone is as impressed as I am.
Been dealing with this nonsense since 2016. They know Hillary and Biden have nothing for us, so all they can do is accuse us of supporting Trump when we ask them for more.
pathetic
It'll be close, b/c the country is divided. But I dont buy the anti-Biden narrative.
Muwahahaha!
(No one pile on Bologna, he's a real life friend and being extremely sarcastic.)
Also Rupar is an absolute tool bag.
Also genocide. Genocide Joe has some issues.
If you would watch any of the programming on Fox News, you'd think the US is in the midst of a depression. It's as if people are living in different realities.
macroeconomic factors would have to change to make the economy great, in your view?
Here I was hoping Shitlibs would realize that tactic doesn’t actually work. Guess y’all are dumber than even I imagined.
The truth is, that it depends on who’s doing the talking. Trust no one angle.