Actually I wana follow this up. to most americans "extreme" = annoying they literally think that the average dem is more extreme than the average socialist because "we have this complicated healthcare plan" is more annoying than "I think that everyone deserves healthcare so we should do that" - ThreadSky

bennie.gay • 94 days ago

Actually I wana follow this up.

to most americans "extreme" = annoying

they literally think that the average dem is more extreme than the average socialist because "we have this complicated healthcare plan" is more annoying than "I think that everyone deserves healthcare so we should do that"

Reposted from Bonnie

it is literally harder to sell people on means tested programs than universal ones because most americans simply cannot read

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razzdazzle.bsky.social•94 days ago

But if you saying "universal health care" they ask how it's going to be paid for, thus requesting the complicated explanation. Magats shoot themselves in the foot at every opportunity.

bennie.gay•94 days ago

thats only because democrats are kinda dumb

"you go to the doctor like normal, except instead of giving you the bill, the doctors send it to uncle sam, just like the VA"

should be the answer, but they usually try to make it more complicated than that

razzdazzle.bsky.social•94 days ago

To be fair, assuming someone wants an actual intellectual discussion and not just a strawman to point and laugh at isn't really a moral failing, although it is naive, especially after a decade of this bullshit. You can't argue with people who's beliefs are based on vibes.

dietztherat.bsky.social•94 days ago

“stop sending all our taxdollars to foreign countries and spend it on real hardworking Americans instead so we can be the healthiest strongest nation on earth”

razzdazzle.bsky.social•94 days ago

But spending tax dollars on tax payers is communism, of course.

dietztherat.bsky.social•94 days ago

That’s liberal BS. A real conservative knows only that their tax dollars belong to that their taxpayers not no uGAYnians fighting no Russkies. *spits tobacco*

mattie-kay.bsky.social•94 days ago

that's right! gawd dammit!! it should go into the pockets of the ruling class where it should hopefully-one-day-maybe trickle down to those detestable taxpayers

raisedbyvalaya.bsky.social•94 days ago

Trying to get people on board with a means-tested policy makes you hated on two fronts: The people who think other people don't deserve nice things, and the people who find out your means-testing excludes them.

bennie.gay•94 days ago

And the people who just think its too complicated

nightpups.bsky.social•94 days ago

socialism is the real centrist position, means testing is extremism. this checks out.

iamthebiggs.bsky.social•94 days ago

What we should do is take universal healthcare and call it "Freedom Care" while telling everyone that Mexico is gonna pay for it.

You want something to work, you gotta find a way to get the stupid people on board with it.

clementine101.bsky.social•94 days ago

Also it morally correct to support universal programs

bennie.gay•94 days ago

This is how Mitt Romney can have many similar policies to Trump and Trump is seen as more "extreme"

This is also why so many people would call Hillary Clinton "extreme"

rcsheets.net•94 days ago

Are we simply running headlong into people’s hatred for details and having to think about stuff?

Trump’s message is certainly the opposite of that. No details, no thoughts.

rationallydense.bsky.social•94 days ago

Also, universal healthcare very obviously helps everybody while a means tested plan leaves out many people.

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