"The public sees the sense in Europe, and Labour sees it too but is still too nervous. The hard-right cannot be appeased, it can only be faced down by strong leadership and a strong democratic mandate from the people."
Comments
Log in with your Bluesky account to leave a comment
If I may, most people around the world would even be surprised to know scotland isn't a free country; thus, you lot should join the EU separately from england. We'd all support you
It's bullshit Scotland and Northern Ireland didn't both get independence referenda after the Brexit vote given that Scotland's staying in the UK was predicated on the Remainers talking about how difficult it'd be for Scotland to join the EU as an independent country.
They should have pressed the issue in the courts. Point out that the way Brexit was handled negated the Good Friday Agreement and press for the courts to order an independence referendum.
you know much more about this than me
I know people, however, and I do not believe for a second any of you need referenda. There is absolutely no way ANY country is majorly in favour of being ruled by another. Any such result is fabricated. You lads just need to leave. Politicians can just do it.
Hm. My French and German friends were quite happy with Brexit. They were tired of Thatcherite economic policy being rammed down their throats, and sick of British whingeing.
If the UK comes back in, what guarantees are there that it will be a helpful Community member?
I don't know anyone in the EU who thought Brexit was a good idea. But many people also add, 'But since it happened, it's not worked out badly for the EU. We have been able to make important decisions and take necessary steps that would have been impossible if the UK had been at the table.'
The most recent polling I’m aware of showed that there’s only 34% support for rejoining that involved adopting the Euro.
Since that is a necessary commitment we would have to make, do you have data which contradicts that, or are you suggesting that we lie in the referendum?
That was the point my tory voting dad jumped over (with gusto) to SNP. And he voted that until his untimely demise at 62. The Scottish Temporal Expiration Date.
Labours goal is to 'make Brexit* work'
Whether they see the sense or not 'Europe' is not on the agenda. Goal or government need to change before it will be.
( *as defined by 2019 GE result)
To produce the budget they have done. To Stop the WASPi Payments. To Stop the winter fuel payments for the UK Elderly. To make the changes the have for The Disabled. To Increase National Insurance. To Favour Brexit! It’s neither Fear or Nervousness which makes The Labour Party behave as it does !?!?
The really worrying thing is when you consider not rejoining the EU combined with the vagaries of fptp and Labours shockingly bad first year is by 2029 we could see an overwhelmingly pro-rejoin country with fewer than 20% alive having voted for Brexit but with Farage and his xenophobes as government
Labour are mindful of the appearance of dismissing what is perceived to be a democratic decision.
They need to be influenced, ideally by a neutral non-political mechanism. I believe the way forward is an inquiry into the impact of the UK exiting the EU
It is a GLOBAL fight for democracy.
Watch the first video under the heading "Watch", which is further down in the link. https://theplotagainstamerica.com/
I'm not sure enough of the public in the rest of GB see the sense in Europe. Like the US, England and Wales showed in 2016 that we over-index on hard of thinking useless tossers who vote based on rhetoric and lies rather than facts and common sense!
Labour just prefer to be in opportune tell everyone else how they’d do it better. They’re in power no for the love of them but the hate for the tories.
Labour are 'frit' of an enemy that is a chimaera. Reform will never be in government if by rejoining the EU, the government demonstrates real growth in the economy that can be seen through jobs, infrastructure and living standards. Expose Brexit, don't try to make it work. It doesn't.
The voting age population has changed so much in the last 9 years with millions who wanted Brexit now dead and millions who were underage now able to vote. Why should they be denied by the dead?
The US is a cautionary tale run into the mud by a jerkoff who refuses to say, "I made a mistake" EVER. Labour needs to reverse what it's political enemies did and rejoin the EU!!!
Please save yourselves, please.
They really need to grow some balls over this. The Farage fanclub fuckwits are never going to vote for them so they might as well cut them lose and start governing in the interest of the rest of us
Things have changed A LOT since Labour published it's manifesto.
America is no longer a trusted ally.
It's clearly in our best interests to #RejoinEU
If they don't change tac then we'll vote tactically to get them OUT and @libdems.org.uk and TheGreenParty IN! https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700041
100%. Wish people would stop pretending this current Labour Party isn't completely intentional in every choice they are making. It it royally embarrassing Labour are giving the US Heritage Foundation the time of day let alone follow their christo-fascist playbook but here we are.
Exactly! The right are never satisfied. What they see as a God given right to power, money and that weird superiority thing they have…
That can never be appeased.
Labour has to stop doing stupid shit though, the cuts to pensioners affect everyone, it’s the 40+ kids that are out of pocket to take care of our parents, when we can least afford it.
Never assume that rationality and the ballot box go hand in hand.
Again, vehicle collisions and deaths have been dropping for years. 30mph is a reasonable speed limit. What will cause exponentially more deaths is a Reform government. Labour has to stop dicking around, and left wingers have to become way less obnoxious and self righteous.
Road collisions and deaths in Wales have been dropping for over twenty years. Speed is a factor, but the larger factor is more cars year after year with advanced safety features.
I don't think that I still believe that the current Labour leadership are any more interested in pleasing the press, their donors, and themselves than their predecessors.
What is the point of politicians if they are *nervous* and can't do the right thing? In any case for me Labour has chosen Brexit and is therefore a Brexit Party.
It won't happen under Labour or the Conservatives, both of whom are owned by Washington. Our best bet is in propelling the Lib Dems to Number 10, or just creating a new party altogether.
Being 'too nervous' is not the same as being 'timid'.
Starmer and Reeves are being timid about a lot of things because they fear the right wing media.
Call it what it is, cowardice.
No way they're this stupid to think they actually have a "positive" mandate (people actually voting for his right-wing Labour), and not the temporary "negative" one (from people voting against Tories).
No chance of reelection as it stands. Worse yet, their policies are strengthening far right.
I often think that at the next GE there will be three parties competing for the right wing vote (Tories, Reform and Labour) and two competing for the votes in the centre and the left. If the LibDems continue bashing the MAGA lot they could find themselves leading the next government.
Comments
I know people, however, and I do not believe for a second any of you need referenda. There is absolutely no way ANY country is majorly in favour of being ruled by another. Any such result is fabricated. You lads just need to leave. Politicians can just do it.
If the UK comes back in, what guarantees are there that it will be a helpful Community member?
They're correct.
Never were, never will be.
Since that is a necessary commitment we would have to make, do you have data which contradicts that, or are you suggesting that we lie in the referendum?
...Have to do what he says!
Interesting that now coming full circle.
Current events certainly emphasize enhanced collective cooperation.
Canadians suggesting we need closer cooperation with EU.
It's inevitable we rejoin, and we need to also go full on € too.
Isn't that the biggest they spew at us when indy comes up?
Whether they see the sense or not 'Europe' is not on the agenda. Goal or government need to change before it will be.
( *as defined by 2019 GE result)
They need to be influenced, ideally by a neutral non-political mechanism. I believe the way forward is an inquiry into the impact of the UK exiting the EU
https://bit.ly/4eq3c17
Labour were asked to choose a side for the 2016 advisory opinion poll.
Corbyn, a lifelong Brexiter, chose to pretend to sit on the fence.
Labour have since chosen hard Brexit as their chosen path.
Labour voters are mainly pro-EU and now unrepresented.
Watch the first video under the heading "Watch", which is further down in the link.
https://theplotagainstamerica.com/
Please save yourselves, please.
America is no longer a trusted ally.
It's clearly in our best interests to #RejoinEU
If they don't change tac then we'll vote tactically to get them OUT and @libdems.org.uk and TheGreenParty IN!
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700041
#RejoinEU
#BrexithFailed
@RejoinEU
labour aren't nervous. they're busy setting up sezs and freeports for the american corporations that own parliament.
we're not rejoining the eu bcos those corporations don't want us in the eu.
it's not fear or nerves on labour's part.
we will not rejoin while we have a tory/lab government.
That can never be appeased.
Labour has to stop doing stupid shit though, the cuts to pensioners affect everyone, it’s the 40+ kids that are out of pocket to take care of our parents, when we can least afford it.
Never assume that rationality and the ballot box go hand in hand.
Starmer and Reeves are being timid about a lot of things because they fear the right wing media.
Call it what it is, cowardice.
No chance of reelection as it stands. Worse yet, their policies are strengthening far right.