And trump's ending all oversight. If it happens a year from now, they probably won't pay any fine at all. Pollute the air, no problem. Poison drinking water? It's perfectly fine in trump's America, where only the rich and corporations matter.
not surprising. Musk has violated regulations for years. All over the place. Trump has responded by easing the regulations. that’s what musk paid for. Just look at the info about mercury in the article below. Trump just eased mercury regulations. Very scary shit.
People have conflated "money" with "value." There are certain things you can't put a price tag on, but that's what these weirdos want everyone to believe (and to this point, they've succeeded).
Wow, 50k per person fine when KILLED by a rule violation. Clearly won’t happen again. Perhaps the rule should be a penalty of one billion per lost life. Then something might be fixed!!
Representative Cesar is quite correct. A life should be worth much more than 9 minutes to the CEO. The worker’s family will miss their loved one for the rest of their lives. A better sign of compassion and acknowledgment of the family’s grief is correcting what caused the death so nobody else dies.
Well, here in Wisconsin, the average wage for a factory worker is about $50k. Median nationwide is somewhere between 59K and 63K. But the idea that a single person makes that in 10 minutes is ABSURD!
Even CEOs are horrible. Especially in the U.S! They make, on average, 300+ X the average employee of the company. If you consider that a person works from age 18 to retirement, that means they would need to work 5 to 6 LIFETIMES to match ONE YEAR of compensation for the CEO!
Those safety rules get ignored when you push nothing but production numbers brought on by a guy who over promises & under delivers. This happens in every type of processing & manufacturing operation from cars to food. The pressure to (over) produce make peeps do stupid 💩.
There is no incentive to slow down & take a step back from a situation that can potentially kill you. Just pay the fine. Hold some training. And back to the same push for numbers.
Infuriating. I called OSHA to report a hospital for refusing to put a very toxic cleaning spray into squirt bottles instead of having the stuff **with warnings about breathing it**
sprayed near sick babies. After an 8 wk temporary leave (fractured wrist). When I got back to work-problem fixed😎
My wife works for Tesla (we hate Elon - alot of the workers see that he is serious threat to a good company). They're actually very good with safety standards and procedures, at least at her location. Nobody has died as long as she's worked there. I'm always telling her to unionize.
Workers and shareholders of that company want him out of there completely. He ruins everything he touches. We need EV companies in this country if we are to compete on the global market. Other countries are making better and cheaper EVs than America at this point either way.
I hope the hell the family for this man is suing his ass and they get millions of of course that won’t hurt him either but at least they’ll get something!
Fines - even adequately large and business killing ones - are not enough. Executives and board members must go to prison for long sentences. Communist countries even EXECUTE them.
Doesn’t surprise me but that’s tragic 😞💔 In California they have a history of a lot of Workers’ Comp claims. They also weirdly advertise for an ergonomist but never seem to hire one (have 👀ads on Indeed going on 8 months).
When the infractions are so great then the fine should be greater!
Musk should have been made to pay the family of that worker his life time earnings! Plus pain and suffering of their loss!
I mean, presidential race is one thing, with the electoral college system and a divided country. But with governorship race, isn't that fully on them? Texans have only themselves to blame. If they even want to blame anyone. Seems like they're fine with it, crazy as it is.
Surely everyone has seen the Paxton voting corruption, gerrymandering, closing polls, vote dumping? Paxton admitted if he hadn’t done all this in 2016, trump would never win Texas.
I’ll dig up his video confessing this to STEVE BANNON
As a supervisor, I was once told, by my ultra conservative manager, to think of my team of workers as nothing but warm bodies, easily replaced, rather than as human beings. I left that company. It's true conservative bosses have no respect for hourly workers.
He’s monstrous, in the worst possible way. Doesn’t give a hoot about anyone except himself. Contrast his abominable behavior with Bill Gates, who’s giving away his billions to help people.
You need fines like in Switzerland where the fine is worked out by the annual salary of the person braking the law. You need to make it that way for companies on their gross yearly profits.
The leading cause of workplace deaths in construction is falls. In 2023, falls accounted for 421 out of 1,075 construction fatalities. The "Fatal Four" – falls, struck-by, electrocutions, and caught-in/between – are significant causes of construction fatalities, and falls are the most prevalent.
We need to adopt the Finlandian model of fines: they base fines on income. Example: a speeder on their roads got a +100k fine. Based on Elon’s income, his fines should be so much more than the general public’s.
The fine needs to be so absolutely huge that a corporation could go bankrupt by ignoring the problem. This isn't that. Make it 50 million and see what changes. If not enough, keep going.
So in real countries, by which I mean not America, traffic and speeding fines are scaled by your net worth so rich people can't just speed in school zones and pay what amounts to seconds of their income for it. We need that for safty violations.
Find out who denied the request for the safty feature and try them for manslaughter at minimum, murder for egregious cases. Watch as the safty culture instantly transforms.
Elon doesn't believe in safe guards because they add cost and time...although it may have saved this person life; he valued the almighty $ more than human life. Deregulation is real
Unfortunately no longer an option. If they aren’t going to ensure employee safety because it’s the right thing to do, then perhaps a financial kick in the ass might help their thought process.
Surely the family should have been paid at least that for each working year for the employer up to the age of 65 … & the Tesla boss musk put in court to be accountable for corporate manslaughter!
Bad the worker died on the job. But fines are not supposed to be based on the individuals or companies ability to pay. Also Tesla is hated by a lot of ppl now so why was he working at Tesla instead of GM or Ford or Boeing. Hopefully Tesla will follow the rules now and Trump as well.
Here in Canada the fines have never been scaled. You a drunk driver on welfare $2,000 fine. You a drunk driver whose a lawyer from a rich family $2,000.
Of course, DUI typically carries non-fine consequences, especially if you kill someone...so it's a not a great comparison to "oops I killed a guy, here's the weregild! Back to not following any safety guidelines!".
Pam Bondage will look into this and conclude that the victim was a Democrat who was just trying to sabotage Tesla! Workers can be a part of the deep state as well. They're everywhere!
Cancel every contract that Elon has with the govt. Do you want to send people to Mars? Do it on your own dime. If you want to build shitty EVs, pay for it yourself, not with taxpayer subsidies. We are a nation of corporate welfare & these ppl want to take away a $900 social security check from mamaw
You are absolutely Correct
Mrs. Betty Bowers, he has
Billions, but we all know Tesla
has many Safety Issues, we
Also know his employees
are not happy with his Company!!
"In retribution" is the correct way to describe it. Musk's efforts to wreck the US government have personally cost him many billions and possibly crippled Tesla permanently. This wasn't all done for money, it was a labor of hate.
Lies.
Grift.
Allowed to go on while republicans turn their heads.
Do you think you are immune to any of these things happening to you or someone you love? Or just…wait and see?
DONALD TRUMP DOESN’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU!
Yes. Retribution for Musk plus release of government restrictions against his contracts, plus using the threat of tariffs to sell Starlink in exchange for the cover of "efficiency" and the gathering of personal data to use against Americans.
We can all thank Mark Burnett for creating a monster. Too shallow to perceive others, too susceptible to flattery, too broke not to be desperate for a bailout, too amoral to see the errors he’s made, too arrogant to be self reflective. M Burnett and his greedy crew and editor literally created this
I'd like to see a list of every investigation of a musk company that was shut down by his and doge's firings, rif's, forced retirements and the title positions of the people (not their names) who were doing the investigations. No names of people or they'll get doxxed.
I mean these fines mean nothing to Elon. States should revise and formulate some sort of calculus. Like 3x the employees wages. Or 10x employees wages.
But they'll just pay them through bonus and stock to avoid it. Maybe it's employee age and salary x multiplier. Lets say you're 30 you'd retire around 65. So a company would be charged 35xSalary. Obviously we'd have to cap it 40 or something and minimum 5x
I know this is very dark but probably have 3 to 4 tiers ultra small business small business enterprise and conglomorate or something. They'd probably do it by employee size to be fair 0 to 50 xyz, 51 to 500 xyz, 500 to 1500, 1501 to 5000, 5001 to 10000. Structure it the way companies structure.
Musk should be exported in a prisoner exchange, we took a bunch of racists from SA, our part should be returning Musk for them.
And the SA refugees should be working in chicken plants.
Yes, according to conservative ideology, if people choose to work at Mr. Musk’s factories they surely understand the risk of death and are compensated fully for it, so if people die, that’s on them and no one else. Now let the assembly line continue.
It may sound comical, but sometimes I get the odd feeling conservatives, even the most rabid, enthusiastic conservatives, don’t really understand conservative economics, values, ideology. Anyway, I hear them saying the most remarkable things sometimes. They make me laugh. They really do.
Conservatives like Reagan wouldn't understand what these MAGA cult "conservatives" are doing. The Republican party since ceding authority to Trumpism is no longer conservative, especially not fiscally conservative. Trump, in his 1st term, added 1/4 of the debt in the entire history of the US.
I find modern conservatives ("Maga") very much in the tradition of addled entertainer and Republican icon Mr. Reagan, who espoused anti-democracy bad economics in the conservative style and market utopianism and who famously declared (democratic) government the problem, never the solution.
Also, I don't take the notion of "fiscal conservative" seriously because as far as I can tell, no conservative has ever expressed any interest in fiscal issues when Republicans are in power doing budget busting tax breaks, etc., They just pull it out of the hat to oppose Democratic policies.
The idea modern conservatism in the form of anti-democracy fascism is not in the tradition of Mr. Reagan, who championed and started the whole thing, is not the logical development of trends that have been going on these past 40 decades, is to me very typical conservative rhetoric.
In Elon's grand vision to reshape humanity mere workers are expendable. His purchase of the US government, and its complicity, will accelerate our demise.
The GOP (GREED OPPRESSION POWER) party, Christian Nationalists, Reagan Conservatives and Trump have proven that they are CRIMINALS, because CRIME PAYS WELL. Bigotry, racism, and homophobia has taken over civility, kindness and TRUTH thanks to trump's GREED.
That's low for sure. But it's only OSHA's fine. Workers comp, wrongful death suit--those could get the worker's family some real compensation for their loss.
OSHA only needs to respond right away if there is a death. Otherwise I think they have to respond within 3 days of getting a call reporting something. I remember a situation where they were called, and the general contractor was notified that there was a report made within 30 min of the call....>
>...being made. So the general contractor, and all the subs on the job were given 2 days advance notice to quickly correct any of the violations that the OSHA inspection had found, as well as time to address whatever the original call was regarding. If you were law enforcement, getting ready to ...>
>....raid some criminal operation, how much good would it do to let the criminal operation know that the raid was about to happen. It made me think of OSHA as a theater group. It's like the BBB giving 5 star ratings to companies that pay to be members of the BBB but yet they have horrible reviews.
What's that got to do with Elon Musk or Tesla? They aren't getting any special treatment. https://www.osha.gov/penalties
There is a maximum of $16,550 per violation no matter what it is. This is a fine for workplace non-compliance, not compensation for the death.
0.o I doubt anyone would think this was compensation for a person's death. OSHAs sole purpose is to oversee workplace safety and fine for violations.
However, this will be perfect documented backup in the families lawsuit
The poster is insinuating that the OSHA fine is the only punishment Tesla is getting for allegedly electocuting somebody to death. It's lying by omission, and misleading what the fine is about.
Ok, I see that BUT the majority of people would know it *IS* the only punishment handed by OSHA.
Punishment for the life of the person would come via the state and family suit.
Is the original post worded like that is an assumption? He says for electocuting a man, not creating an environment which led to a man getting electrocuted.
Electric shocks and electrocution are two distinct types of electrical injuries. Electric shock refers to a non-fatal electrical injury, whereas electrocution describes a fatal electrical injury.
Electric shocks and electrocution are two distinct types of electrical injuries. Electric shock refers to a non-fatal electrical injury, whereas electrocution describes a fatal electrical injury.
I hope someone comes up with a good body count for Musk, he’s done his best to hide or slip responsibility for so many deaths already, but since he claims not to have harmed anyone, he is asking for it.
This is why Regan dismantled unions. Billionaires don't care about people. All they care about is making more money. And somehow the party of billionaires has convinced the working class and poor in this country that they have their back. Precisely why they've been dismantling public education.
Billionaires wanted unions dismantled so they could exploit workers. Regan obliged. The economic reality we're living in - massive wealth disparity - began with Regan's policies. It's Reaganomics on steroids because even Regan wasn't cruel enough to do all the things Trump and the GOP are doing.
You have done something really important. When you did not understand a point, you asked rather than simply blowing it off.
Educated people who have learned critical thinking skills do this. Those who follow blindly do not. Good for you.
Maybe a valid thought if you close your eyes to the retribution that would be imposed. Think hard about the impact of martial law before advocating targeted assassinations.
Elon’s huge govt contracts should be referred to as “Elon’s government contracts that are fully paid by taxpayers”. Publicize how much $ taxpayers are putting into Elon’s pocket —daily,monthly, & annually. Also publicize the Doge kids’ individual salaries.
In the UK we have laws to protect workers from unscrupulous employers who cut corners on workers saftey for a profit. They are charged with corporate manslaughter & if found guilty the CEO's are not only hit with a fine they go to jail.
In the US in a Republican administration, the corporation gets billions of dollars in government contracts and is allowed to murder the government department that enforces regulations.
Uncontrolled capitalism protects the wealthy. It's what some still call "the American dream". That and the weapons policies are the reason I would never move to the US.
The article mentions Tesla’s plant in CA in comparison to the other manufacturers in red state. CA has their own OSHA which is stricter than federal guidelines. Also, the article mentions Tesla employs more workers, it again didn't fully explain the impact overall. I get the need for dramatic effect
Nothing dramatic, Elon’s companies have been cited by BOTH FED & CA STATE OSHA. That actually underscores fElon’s complete disregard for human / employee life!
Lets not even talk about the lawsuits involving repeated workplace racism & harassment… 🙄
I agree. I used to be a fan. I made money off tlsa stock. All of that changed when I considered buying one. I realized that it’s a big con. Despite his claims, his cars will never be FSD. They're pretty dangerous. I’m willing to bet USAID was a diversion from him destroying agencies that affect him.
This is one of the big points on which Musk and other immoral owners/CEOs of companies prove that they do not give a damn about their workers or areas where they operate. Musk ignores safety, legal paperwork for operations, and pollution issues due to company operations. He cheats. He lies.
It's only going to get worse. I just wish that progressives elected from the DSA wouldn't keep shifting liberal af so we could get some solid leadership in this country. Standing idly to the side hasn't gotten us anywhere
Seriously?
Progressive in the US is Centrist/moderate in the rest of the developed world. We are the only developed country that doesn’t provide healthcare to all, living wages and generous time off to workers.
If you don't know what Greg Casar ran on, I wouldn't be talking lmao. I'm very aware that liberals are right wing in the US. I'm talking about how even self pronounced SocDems and Socialists are becoming machine politicians in the Democratic party
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So that’s the price of a human life now ?
How about shutting down the factory and having every fucking thing in there inspected for this shit?
He wanted the Doggie dept. so he could get rid of all the agencies that oversee industrial safety.
What a horrible human being he is.
Why wasn't it $50 million???? Why?????
The rich are convinced that they are worth more.
Surprise, they're not. They are just maglamaniacs.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna166283
May 10, 2025
DOGE has announced that 11 OSHA offices, along with 34 MSHA offices, will be closed, which will lead to fewer inspections, undoubtedly followed by more injuries and illnesses.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/05/doge-silicosis-prevention/682745/
We’re committing crimes against humanity, what are you doing congressman Casar to stop it?
better late than never
we are all sure he will make it his life's work to vanquish capitalism, starting today !!!!!!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is that what a life is worth? 🤬
We have to fight back like it's 1789 they are telling us "let them eat cake"
People are going missing!
"Terrible things are happening outside. At any time of night and day,poor helpless people are being dragged out of their homes.”Anne Frank,01/13/1943
Crickets as I expected, I assume until it actually affects them, nothing will improve for our workers
sprayed near sick babies. After an 8 wk temporary leave (fractured wrist). When I got back to work-problem fixed😎
Nothing less than THAT will stop this bullshit.
Musk should have been made to pay the family of that worker his life time earnings! Plus pain and suffering of their loss!
Torte reform by Abbot After Abbot collected multi millions for life…. for running under a wet tree & tree collapsed on him-causing his parálisis.
Replace all republicans everywhere
I’ll dig up his video confessing this to STEVE BANNON
I trust as far as he walks.
💯👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Republicans are hell n earth
Apparently not. At least not in the United States of America at this point in time.
I kid. This is abhorrent. Yet it makes sense. Fuck me.
Of course, DUI typically carries non-fine consequences, especially if you kill someone...so it's a not a great comparison to "oops I killed a guy, here's the weregild! Back to not following any safety guidelines!".
But hey, we're a young dumb first coup country. Learning curve.
https://youtu.be/1ZDstu_OAFI?si=w9uhwEWIBEVVnZKC
... Apparently, it's the value of one life to Tesla/Musk. It'd be good for some people to see it.
✔️End expensive safety worker regulations
https://www.fastcompany.com/91319532/musks-doge-is-shuttering-oshas-office-in-cancer-alley-despite-how-dangerous-it-is
Mrs. Betty Bowers, he has
Billions, but we all know Tesla
has many Safety Issues, we
Also know his employees
are not happy with his Company!!
Ralph Nader would have loved Elon.
Grift.
Allowed to go on while republicans turn their heads.
Do you think you are immune to any of these things happening to you or someone you love? Or just…wait and see?
DONALD TRUMP DOESN’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU!
WE MUST STOP trump/musk 86 47
What is your congressman doing?
What are you doing?
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Signup & protest @
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Every. Single. One.
https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/2025.02.13_fact_sheet_re_musk_investigations.pdf
Hope the workers enjoy their new found freedoms now
And the SA refugees should be working in chicken plants.
Somehow many Tesla employees who worked using chemicals got rumors & cancers.
I don’t recommend to work at Tesla 🏭!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJxPdHqJzHC/?igsh=ZjVkb282dzk4MTk0
https://www.osha.gov/penalties
There is a maximum of $16,550 per violation no matter what it is. This is a fine for workplace non-compliance, not compensation for the death.
However, this will be perfect documented backup in the families lawsuit
Punishment for the life of the person would come via the state and family suit.
You can't survive electrocution.
Sorry, perhaps I’m not sufficiently caffeinated 😉
Educated people who have learned critical thinking skills do this. Those who follow blindly do not. Good for you.
Of course I’ve also had people respond harshly, sarcastically calling me “genius” for questioning them.
But I mean, if Tom kills Jerry the show is over, isn't it.
No more billionaire-induced toxicity.. can't have that now can we.
Violence is clearly the most effective solution against legislative terrorism.
I suspect that fine was tampered
with to do someone a favor.
Crime family administration strikes
again.
Enough to get a factory manager's attention.
Important safety tip: BUILD IN INFLATION EQUIVALENTS, IN FINES.
The OSHA Database is publicly searchable, btw.
Drive article puts Tesla's secret horror into perspective:
The article is admittedly outdated, in that it does not cover the latest Fatality at Tesla: death by electrocution. You can link that, below.
Citations for employees working on non-de-energized systems have been well documented in the OSHA database.
Lets not even talk about the lawsuits involving repeated workplace racism & harassment… 🙄
The man is a POS. I don’t have to exaggerate.
Progressive in the US is Centrist/moderate in the rest of the developed world. We are the only developed country that doesn’t provide healthcare to all, living wages and generous time off to workers.