In Psycho-Pass, Sibyl ensures a minimum level of basic rights and access to healthcare, education, etc for most of its citizens. It's why they think the system is good. The US can't even do that. - ThreadSky

benjanun.bsky.social • 19 days ago

In Psycho-Pass, Sibyl ensures a minimum level of basic rights and access to healthcare, education, etc for most of its citizens. It's why they think the system is good. The US can't even do that.

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We literally have science fiction on why this is a bad idea.

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lavenderwitch.bsky.social•19 days ago

Science fiction- I will make a dystopia that is obv-

Me- IS IT WORSE THAN WHAT WE HAVE?!

Science fiction- Yes so much...

Me- BESIDES SOME VAGUE SHIT ABOUT DIGNITY AND FREE WILL?!

Science Fiction- I was written by even vaguely reasonable people....so no, it is not.

end-sky.bsky.social•19 days ago

The difference is that Japan recognizes those things as basic human rights already.

robowookie.bsky.social•19 days ago

90% accuracy rate is crazy too, like its fine we'll just send 1 in 10 people to jail for no reason

rosedees.bsky.social•19 days ago

I think artists made evil regimes too smart and aesthetically appealing and that has set peoples ability to see real life stormtroopers in the dumpster.

foxbat.gay•19 days ago

There's also the fact that people's knowledge of real life evil regimes is places like Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Maoist China. They don't see Peronist Argentina or the Philippines under Marcos or even the real state of Putinist Russia.

They get the highlight reel, not the bloopers.

lavenderwitch.bsky.social•19 days ago

All of those were blooper reals though!

Evil regimes are absolutely fucking incompetent. Like hilariously incompetent.

Mao's early plans were absolutely fucking batshit.
Hitler was an idiot.
Stalin a paranoid kazoo.

foxbat.gay•19 days ago

Like people see the cultural revolution and never read about the fact that it was mostly 15 year olds in ill fitting clothes beating up the sanitation engineer for being bourgious and then not understanding why there's poop everywhere. That's what they should expect. Broken pipes and poop.

foxbat.gay•19 days ago

Yeah not really disagreeing with that. My point was more that people read about all the things those fucks "accomplished" and see the parades of synchronized marching and thus expect "stormtroopers" to be 50 guys in perfect matching outfits. Not a cadre of yahoos with 3 braincells together.

rosedees.bsky.social•19 days ago

yeah but like they said- the way you learn them through their evil highlights not through the series of bumbling that got them there.

thedescenters.bsky.social•19 days ago

i think it's also because if you look at say, the state of the USA right now *as a story* it actually makes less sense? like, go back 20 years & imagine i'm writing a dystopia like that. my readers would have questions for me, like "hang on maddison, if everyone is poor and angry about it..."

thedescenters.bsky.social•19 days ago

"why would they all vote for a rich dude who was promising to make them poorer? why would they think he was promising to make them rich instead? the republicans just seem completely evil here & the democrats are totally incompetent. it would be a lot more interesting to have some shades of grey..."

foxbat.gay•19 days ago

I think the shades of grey are very there. The party duopoly making voting for a third choice impossible. The democrats being corporate captured and more afraid of their own left wing than the rising hard right. The critical error to cast Trump as "not really a Republican" the money in politics.

foxbat.gay•19 days ago

Where we are now is the inexorable end point of the Citizens United decision. One Guy buying a president with a quarter billion dollars.

It does require accepting that the electorate is fundamentally unsalvageable without getting the propaganda under control though

rosedees.bsky.social•19 days ago

the greys there but the eyes are drawn to the contrast of the extremes. it makes sense; it can turn into simplification if applied in a defeatist tone, but we trip over details as often as we ignore them i think. and getting everyone on the same page about anything is more difficult than education.

thedescenters.bsky.social•19 days ago

(etc, etc) my point is the dystopia of western capitalism during the collapse is BORING. you can write about it. I wrote a dystopia about it in 2017. But it was published on an indie press and sold only a couple of hundred copies. no one else I sent it to got it...

thedescenters.bsky.social•19 days ago

and it was prescient, i wanted to get it out while that was still the case. didn't want to wait around for it either. but yeah, I guess: sci-fi dystopias looking *kinder* than the world we have right now is imo a symptom of all of this. it's not down to the authors: it's down to what it takes to...

benjanun.bsky.social•19 days ago

so psycho-pass actually got this one! there's a movie where they have a dictator who, for a number of reasons, blames everything bad that happened on his military officer and then to 'take accountability' he steps down. he's promptly reelected.

thedescenters.bsky.social•19 days ago

ooooh i think i've seen all of the series but not the movies? i'll have to check that out. :)

rosedees.bsky.social•19 days ago

yeah thats because Realism means something different when making media. you know the gore in Hollywood is what people expect to happen when blown up shot or sliced into- not how it actually looks. cause theres nothing actually more unbelievable than seeing a person torn apart. its cartoony to us.

rosedees.bsky.social•19 days ago

Also because im a starwars fan im always gonna but it in to these things: despite basically being the exact play book of an executive takeover down to basically mapping trumps exact method (I could use literal pictures to compare) fans criticized the simplified politics for being goofy and a drag.

rosedees.bsky.social•19 days ago

I remember a time when "getting your politics from starwars" was supposed to suggest you were hyperbolizing and dumbing it down- but in truth thats how it really works- hateful people use trauma to manipulate young men who continue the long line of antidemocratic actions. thats just real.

rosedees.bsky.social•19 days ago

Or how pinochet was just a normal soldier guy before he got power and went full dictator. it can happen as long as someone respects authority for authorities sake.
People need to grow some curiosity, and also agency.

foxbat.gay•19 days ago

And then 30 years later you have clueless American 20somethings idolizing Pinochet's Chile in large part due to the whitewashing it received from American anticommunists.

austerity.bsky.social•19 days ago

Expecting this article to half-way in admit all the crimes it predicts to be from poc because training data and it was made by some of the whitest dudes imaginable

darkcerbshaun.bsky.social•19 days ago

Normally the state would have to fear being overturned by it's people or at least locked into a constant costly effort to suppress protests...I guess we're gonna find out what a state becomes when that's not a concern?

anarchygoose.bsky.social•19 days ago

Also giggling at a 90% success rate.

'Well there's a 1/10 chance we're executing the wrong person, but y'know, that's better than the old system. Way more efficient.'

theashencouncil.bsky.social•19 days ago

90% success rate would be kinda impressive. I would not be surprised if that's a better success rate than the number of innocent vs guilty people on death row in the US.

It still sucks though.

But it actually had a less than 1% success rate and they were fucking lying, lmao.

silvertongue.bsky.social•19 days ago

The US is blowing past every benchmark for those imaginary dystopian societies ever conceived in fiction.

Then again, most of them were inspired by the US.

savean.bzky.team•19 days ago

AI can't even get through a paragraph without hallucinating and we're going to trust it with pre-crime?

I'm sure it'll be fine.

benjanun.bsky.social•19 days ago

'The system grants good health, education, jobs, and satisfactory marriages' is part of why the Japanese public is ok with Sibyl designating a certain portion of the population as undesirables. Sibyl actually offers them a carrot to go with the stick, the US is all sticks.

purpleshieldcat.bsky.social•19 days ago

And they want you to pay for those sticks too

Also
*Looks at US law enforcement, it's judicial system designed to funnel marginalized groups into prison, the fact that prisoners can legally be enslaved, and the fact the people funding gen AI want access to a workforce they don't have to pay*

gengarro.bsky.social•19 days ago

The carrot is that you don't get hit with an even bigger stick

meadyochre.bsky.social•19 days ago

Psycho-Pass mentioned

benjanun.bsky.social•19 days ago

oh I post about it, like, obsessively :D

meadyochre.bsky.social•19 days ago

But also fuck this, burn it the fuck down

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