Thanks. I am aware of that debate and I agree that with many events we no longer need to wait years until the causation is fully established to point out its linkages to the climate crisis. I wrote about this after last year's devastating storms (in German tho) www.tagesanzeiger.ch/klimastreik-... - ThreadSky

jonaskampus.bsky.social • 32 days ago

Thanks. I am aware of that debate and I agree that with many events we no longer need to wait years until the causation is fully established to point out its linkages to the climate crisis. I wrote about this after last year's devastating storms (in German tho)

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/klimastreik-menschen-verlieren-ihr-leben-wegen-klimakrise-139643950838

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jonaskampus.bsky.social•32 days ago

But my question is whether this primary linkage to climate change exists. As far as I read the reports, glacier melting was not the problem but rather the rock mass on top of it that may have become unstable due to thawing permafrost, correct? Is that also the line of causation you draw?

katharinehayhoe.com•32 days ago

Why do you think the permafrost was thawing?

And – the fact that you’re asking a question which is a strawman suggests you didn’t read my response very carefully, as I mentioned permafrost already. Did you miss that?

jonaskampus.bsky.social•32 days ago

I think you may misunderstand my intention behind my questions. My knowledge on this matter is solely based on media articles and I got confused because I have been reading to certain degree contradicting things.

jonaskampus.bsky.social•32 days ago

For me it isn't clear whether this incident was caused by the melting glacier or permafrost, both or neither.

katharinehayhoe.com•32 days ago

Ah - for that question, you need to go to the expert glaciologists who specialize in this terrain.

tom-weiss.bsky.social•27 days ago

May I chip in:
Blatten Factsheet by Matthias Huss und Mylène Jacquemart (ETH-Zurich), updated last 31-May:
https://polybox.ethz.ch/index.php/s/eazXqWn8z6rPNwo
and am summary by glacial geologist Bethan Davies, (Newcastle University)
https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/wp-content/plugins/antarcticglaciers-pdf/download.php?p=17735

jonaskampus.bsky.social•32 days ago

Ok, but the effect of increasing temperatures would need to be through one of these two channels, right? That's how you attribute it to the climate crisis?

tom-weiss.bsky.social•27 days ago

It was caused by glacier collapse + rockslide.
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