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erictopol.bsky.social • 71 days ago

Using an objective biomarker for wine consumption in people with cardiovascular risk supported CV benefit of light to moderate consumption

https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/advance-article/doi/10.1093/eurheartj/ehae804/7920812

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chkaloon.bsky.social•71 days ago

I'm here for it. Wasn't this kind of known years ago? I remember 15 years ago my PCP asking if I drank, and I said average 3-5 per week. He said "good."

codeslubber.bsky.social•71 days ago

I thought we had been through all this. There is no healthy dose of alcohol. The old belief that there was, the French Paradox, was explained by the J Curve?

omics.bsky.social•71 days ago

The findings seem to be in conflict with other studies, some significantly larger, that show benefit for reduction of alcohol consumption even for light to moderate drinkers.
For example

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25011450/

debe.bsky.social•71 days ago

This will shake a lot a lot of people

donnamenner.bsky.social•69 days ago

Just a thought - I assume diabetics may not want to do this because of the natural sugar in wine?

hengymrohebwlad.bsky.social•71 days ago

When they talk of so many "glasses of wine", what is the size of the glass? UK pubs used to serve it in 125ml glasses, but nowadays 250ml is common. Meanwhile, in 🇨🇭 wine is served by the "Dezi" i.e. 100ml measure.

Hard to judge these results without knowing such basic information.

fofoca.bsky.social•70 days ago

The paper says "The equivalence of tartaric acid to glasses of wine was estimated based on excretion levels observed in a previous clinical trial conducted by our research group." and cites reference 9: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/urinary-tartaric-acid-as-a-potential-biomarker-for-the-dietary-assessment-of-moderate-wine-consumption-a-randomised-controlled-trial/037DE7537F259389C14DEB74B905A7EB

hengymrohebwlad.bsky.social•70 days ago

My mistake. Thx

highentropy.bsky.social•69 days ago

Correlation found. Have they controlled for overall health? Sick people tend to drink less.

sapienst.bsky.social•71 days ago

The use of a urinary biomarker is interesting, but they could not control for the "sick quitter" effect, and they found no benefit on all-cause mortality. Any slight benefit of light drinking on CVD risk is outweighed by the increased risk of cancer, liver disease, and numerous other conditions.

miriamlikespie.bsky.social•71 days ago

Thoughts on beer consumption of 24 ounces a day.

varied-thrush.bsky.social•71 days ago

A lot of belching, unfortunately. Personal experience.

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