π«π· Macron: "Next Thursday there will be an EU meeting, which will consider the creation of a European defense architecture. We are talking about hundreds of billions of β¬."
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Good. As an American please understand my embarrassment. I will not apologize for him because I did not vote for him, but I will apologize for those who did.
Sure, but I think it's a role that helps in understanding why some key players in this like Macron, Starmer and Rutte will try to act as intermediary, even when we want them to push back more clearly. They think they can reach him. Or at the very least steer him somewhat in the right direction.
Both came to tRumpf NOT at his "winning $ thanksgiving conference" but AFTER,kicked off his lies,especially about Ukraine and US help for it (only 67+31 bil.$, Europe 240 bil.)
But after this POWER argument,we use cooperation,thatswhy Europe is still top trendsetter,like in ARM chips,solars,lasers
50% of the population supporting that turd is too much. The other 50% should at least be climbing fences somewhere right now. But they aren't so I don't have much hope for Hungary
The only way to save western civilisation from the encroaching beasts of Russian Imperialism, Trump Treason and Chinese Militarism is the creation for a whole new European supra national security architecture.
Europe will also need a serious upgrade for their space program. Ariane is old technology with no reuse capability. Europe will need their own dedicated orbital surveillance and communication capabilities.
Not so sure about that. Back in 2016, during Trumpβs first administration, Europe sought to establish the European Defense Fund to directly support its defense industry. However, the Trump administration opposed the initiative, as it would have made Europe more...
In short, Trump actively sabotaged Europeβs efforts to build an independent defense industry, the same Trump who now complains that Europe isnβt doing enough...
About f*ucking time...get your act together Europe if you want to survive Putin and Trump's attack on your sovereignty and freedom - if Ukraine is defeated by Putin/Trump, Europe is next!
They will leave the US sphere of influence and never look back. For the leader of the 21st century look to Europe. My children and I have EU/US citizenship. They are already in the EUβwe will be joining them.
This new defense group must NOT buy thier weapons from the US. Along with them not being trustworthy as an ally, don't feed Northrup, General Dynamics, Boeing, etc. Use BEA, Thales, and Airbus instead.
I am not! My namesake is more modern, though in itself also a reference to the sword of Roland.
"Count Roland smites upon the marble stone;
I cannot tell you how he hewed it and smote;
Yet the blade breaks not nor splinters, though it groans;
Upward to heaven it rebounds from the blow.
[...]
[...]
When the count sees it never will be broke,
Then to himself right softly he makes moan;
'Ah, Durandal, fair, hallowed, and devote,
What store of relics lies in thy hilt of gold!'"
This is the right move. Nato is dead, or at least in suspended animation until America removes the cancerous tumour that has infected it. Europe should take a more active role in the war vs Putin. Enough is enough.
with a healthy level of transpatriotism I think it is possible.
You have to want to defend your allies with actions and not just with words. It has to be worked on.
It should not just include military but also environmental defense. Climate change will wreck the hell out of us without solid allies
Europeans tools ages to understand they canβt surrender their security to foreign powers.
They understand now the need to do more but still not all onboard to face π·πΊ yet.
Putting them at reach of π¨π³ is today inconceivable.
Widening the coalition is for now unrealistic.
π¨π¦ is a historic and close ally, there is no will for that to ever change!
For the pacific region it more open to the willing type of infrastructure.
π¬π§ with the commonwealth or π«π· has interests for example.
So I do use google for my need. https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+all+US+products+sold+in+the+UK+to+avoid
There are even apps,to not buy anything from Musk or (worse) chRussians+their EU puppets,like Nigel Farage,Abramovich,secret agent Jeremy Corbyn.
You go shops,you point camera=you avoid.
Each goods use BARCODE=first 3-digits show country
Rafale is good, but Europe needs more. What Israel did to Iran with their f35Is was downright scary. The NGF is over fifteen years away, Europe needs something better to bridge the gap fast.
that's the best we have in the meantime.
No worries, we will soon have something way better.
With hundreds of billions we will be able to create our own dragon of the skies
The F35 might still be viable. Itβs a true multinational project and 25% of the components are European. Musk is also talking about shutting down the program. Will be interesting to see what happens and what safeguards Europe can put in it. At least until NGF is ready.
honestly, we should have threatened the USA with shutting down our military supplies to them over messing with Starlink in Ukraine. Europe is the real super power here
France is the worlds 2nd largest arms manufacturer and exporter behind the US. They have been pressuring the EU/NATO members to increase European capabilities for years.
The US just lost its largest market & I am absolutely thrilled.
Thank-you to the EU for stepping up. I, like many many other Americans are ashamed of what took place yesterday. I hope one day we can show you that we are better than the conspiracy that has taken hold of our government.
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Who'll be laughing out loud, in the board room?
Arms producers and dealers... (But in which countries?)
#theusualsuspects
Let's fkn GO! I would cast a wider net to strengthen the alliance, funding and power by including non EU democratic countries. If any of the participating countries have a dictator style leader voted in, that country should automatically get kicked out to preserve the integrity of the alliance.
πͺπΊπΊπ¦ Earlier, Baerbock reported that the EU plans to create its own fund for β¬700 billion to expand the European military-industrial complex (part of the funds were also planned for Ukraine (about β¬110 billion over several years).
be sure to state a lot of what if conditions, what if orban, what if russia, what if the US then hold the bastards accountable, cos it's what killed nato & eu
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β a European defense architectureβ
#StandWithUkraine
#StandWithNATO
#StanfWithEU
Again.
But after this POWER argument,we use cooperation,thatswhy Europe is still top trendsetter,like in ARM chips,solars,lasers
The people weβre not in line with Hitler in 1934β¦.
Ca fait 75 ans !
Fortress Europa.
https://www.ispionline.it/en/publication/defense-industry-a-new-chapter-of-transatlantic-friction-175738
I've marked the important part.
In short, Trump actively sabotaged Europeβs efforts to build an independent defense industry, the same Trump who now complains that Europe isnβt doing enough...
This must NOT be allowed to happen again.
@ec.europa.eu
If NATO is unwell, cut out the cancers.
I bet they don't teach that geste in school anymore
"Count Roland smites upon the marble stone;
I cannot tell you how he hewed it and smote;
Yet the blade breaks not nor splinters, though it groans;
Upward to heaven it rebounds from the blow.
[...]
When the count sees it never will be broke,
Then to himself right softly he makes moan;
'Ah, Durandal, fair, hallowed, and devote,
What store of relics lies in thy hilt of gold!'"
Sounds like a plan.
Slava Ukraini!
Grateful American.
πΊπ¦ π
Anyone who wants to be part of the coalition.
Definitely don't forget the Baltics π
And make sure the frozen RuΟΟian assets are out of Trump's grasp.
https://bsky.app/profile/futureeuropa.bsky.social/post/3lil6clvapk27
Hopefully it would actually do what says on the tin.
NATO is pretty non-descript and limiting in it's ambitions.
You have to want to defend your allies with actions and not just with words. It has to be worked on.
It should not just include military but also environmental defense. Climate change will wreck the hell out of us without solid allies
They understand now the need to do more but still not all onboard to face π·πΊ yet.
Putting them at reach of π¨π³ is today inconceivable.
Widening the coalition is for now unrealistic.
For the pacific region it more open to the willing type of infrastructure.
π¬π§ with the commonwealth or π«π· has interests for example.
https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+all+US+products+sold+in+the+UK+to+avoid
There are even apps,to not buy anything from Musk or (worse) chRussians+their EU puppets,like Nigel Farage,Abramovich,secret agent Jeremy Corbyn.
You go shops,you point camera=you avoid.
Each goods use BARCODE=first 3-digits show country
No one needs trashy American shit
No worries, we will soon have something way better.
With hundreds of billions we will be able to create our own dragon of the skies
Sit nobis gloriatio valorum nostrorum!
We miss a lot of the base.
We (EU) can't even sew uniforms, boots or manufacture drones etc etc
The US just lost its largest market & I am absolutely thrilled.
Who'll be laughing out loud, in the board room?
Arms producers and dealers... (But in which countries?)
#theusualsuspects
Also, given Boeingβs woes, this is a good time for Airbus to take away some of their business.
https://bsky.app/profile/antifakater.bsky.social/post/3ljdsmqanz22f