We filed our appeal in Hachette v. Internet Archive yesterday. If we are unsuccessful in our fight, libraries won’t be allowed to own and lend digital books, only license them from big media corporations. Why is that bad for YOU? 🧵in comments blog.archive.org/2023/12/15/i... - ThreadSky

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We filed our appeal in Hachette v. Internet Archive yesterday. If we are unsuccessful in our fight, libraries won’t be allowed to own and lend digital books, only license them from big media corporations. Why is that bad for YOU? 🧵in comments https://blog.archive.org/2023/12/15/internet-archive-defends-digital-rights-for-libraries/

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wotsac.bsky.social•437 days ago

That's a problem. And what's really bugging me? You brought the Move Fast and Break Things SV ethos to a very delicate situation at a very delicate time, and handed the publishers a made to order test case to thump everyone over the head with

religionlies.bsky.social•438 days ago

I would also like to point out that this is the model libraries are currently forced to use which limits what we can purchase and costs more tax dollars. So switching to a library ownership model saves taxpayers as well as reducing wait times.

poofer.bsky.social•438 days ago

Won't be long before the GOP comes after digital everything and ban them all except for their garage, it seems they don't want for people to be educated or informed about anything. They already are working on books

epistemophobia.skeet.tw•437 days ago

brother the democrats are also complicit

poofer.bsky.social•433 days ago

I'm not your brother and you can believe whatever you want, but if that's the case so are you🤟

epistemophobia.skeet.tw•433 days ago

you literally couldn't be more wrong my brother

poofer.bsky.social•433 days ago

No you are but thanks

epistemophobia.skeet.tw•432 days ago

damn apparently I'm a foreign agent, I should see about getting my paycheck

thatoldbear.bsky.social•438 days ago

The fact that a major corporation can just lose all sense of irony and remote memory hole Orwell's 1984 was what made me a hoarder https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html

iucounu.bsky.social•438 days ago

OK, but the reason Amazon did that was they sold an edition illegally in the wrong region. They didn't have the right to make that transaction. I'm unsure what a better solution was than revoking the sale and returning the money.

thatoldbear.bsky.social•438 days ago

Look, I dont care about their reasons more than the NAKED EXERCISE OF THAT POWER. A normal customer shouldnt have to give a molecule of a shit when a 'sale' occurs, and we shouldnt have to all be US media rights lawyers just to participate. Also, doing it to 1984 might be Bezos' real legacy.

iucounu.bsky.social•438 days ago

would a customer not give a shit if the Kindle copy of 1984 they bought turned out not to be an ebook but a pirate PDF of a scanned paper edition uploaded by fraudsters, though, which seemed to be the case here? This was so hamfisted they don't do recalls like this any more, I agree about that

katherine.bsky.social•436 days ago

I donated 🫡 and shared on X. Good luck and thanks for fighting

https://etherscan.io/tx/0xe6f282638b9c7e0844e4c7735f46a95149c645265391532b4592dfc1dd5167f5

shaun0h.bsky.social•437 days ago

It's bad for me because my rural library is entirely donation funded, without those books literacy goes down. Books are under enough attacks at the moment, access doesn't need to be a bigger issue than it already is for many.

priva.cat•438 days ago

Fight like hell, and I hope your appeal is successful against the money-grubbing publishers.

thejackalope.bsky.social•437 days ago

Dude.... I love Libby, and I would hate for it to be hamstrung. May Hermes hear your prayer and lend his help.

watsonneith.bsky.social•437 days ago

Libby is owned by KKR, a private equity firm that also acquired RBMedia. So the outcome of this case is probably not going to be what kills Libby, but rather, whenever KKR decides to loot it for shareholder gains.

thejackalope.bsky.social•437 days ago

Awwww, boo.

apetivist.bsky.social•437 days ago

It's greed.

kentparkskeet.bsky.social•438 days ago

Another inherited empire with too much power.

ellz.bsky.social•438 days ago

Oh look

archive.org•438 days ago

If libraries aren’t allowed to own digital books, we can’t preserve them either. You might not be able to access your favorite digital book next week, let alone share it with your grandkids one day 🕳️

sivacheetah.bsky.social•437 days ago

Part of why I download everything that I believe to be even somewhat important and then I get lost in a pile of books I've been meaning to sort

nzheretic.bsky.social•438 days ago

Or though cross-licensing deals deny you access entirely.
See linking "Acknowledge the doctrine of first sale and private use." from 2009 blog post linked below...

mccapps.bsky.social•437 days ago

I've been saying that for years. You don't own a digital book, you own a license to access a digital book, and that license can be revoked at any time.

paula013.bsky.social•438 days ago

What can we do?

seegras.bsky.social•438 days ago

fhayesmccoy.bsky.social•437 days ago

Copyright is killing culture? My work is my livelihood - how do I, as a creative artist, continue to create without being paid to do so? How do I protect my works' integrity if I don't have a legal right to do so? How do I provide for my old age or incapacitation without control over my blacklist? 📚

seegras.bsky.social•437 days ago

Oh, I don't think it should be abolished, just radically curtailed. Certainly never lasting after the death of the artist, probably shorter than that; with no option of signing over all future rights, fallback to the artist if unpublished.

Opinion in 1841:
https://www.thepublicdomain.org/2014/07/24/macaulay-on-copyright/

seegras.bsky.social•437 days ago

Also, a right for anyone in the public to sue against people committing copyfraud against the public domain (like re-publishing a PD work under your name and asserting copyright; as often seen with sheet music).

fhayesmccoy.bsky.social•437 days ago

I worked for yrs with c/right licensing & 2ndary rights collecting orgs, & served on the Council of/negotiated for the WGGB. Nat/internat legislation/rights-orgs cooperation constantly evolves. Writers' rights are constantly threatened. It's facile/unhelpful to state that c/right is killing culture.

archive.org•438 days ago

Corporate publishers have been known to change the text of digital books. If libraries can’t own archival copies, how will you know what’s been censored? 🧐 https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/20/books/roald-dahl-books-changes.html

sapphirek39.bsky.social•437 days ago

This is absolutely wild!!

zachrtw.bsky.social•438 days ago

It's not like they don't do it to paper books too. My dad was shocked to find out the Hardy Boys books I read in the 80s weren't the same as the ones he read in the 50s.

ninabake2.bsky.social•437 days ago

Enid BLyton's books have been censored too.

saeedwkhan.bsky.social•438 days ago

What had changed?

botsnack.bsky.social•437 days ago

Poking around.. this seems like a good summary.
On skimming: many reasons for changes, including extending copyright. And racism, duh.
https://stratemeyer.org/def/original-text-vs-revised-text/

Bit from other article attached.

epistemophobia.skeet.tw•437 days ago

yes but they can't go in and edit the copies you already own is the point

idgafcertified.com•438 days ago

As long as the story remains the same, and the originals are available somewhere, I'm fine with it. See also, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Robotic Edition.

friskydingus.bsky.social•438 days ago

Maybe if they were sold as a whole separate edition but they are passed off as just the book as its always been.

davidlindsay.bsky.social•430 days ago

I agree. Similar to when a recording artist creates a "radio edit" version of a song.

archive.org•438 days ago

Libraries don’t collect and sell data about your reading habits. Corporate publishers do. You want to be able to read digital books without being surveilled, right? 👀 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/03/amazon-kindle-data-reading-tracking-privacy

barnevernet.bsky.social•406 days ago

🫙

denastus.bsky.social•437 days ago

Kinda easy to do. Download the actual PDF of the book you want to read and save it onto your Google Drive (not recommended but better than keeping the file on your local system) or your own server (recommended if you are extra paranoid)

erroroliver.bsky.social•430 days ago

Why not locally? If I wanna download a PDF of it, I do it locally, Google tracks.

denastus.bsky.social•430 days ago

How do you download a PDF of a book locally if you don't have the original file to download said PDF of said book locally?

pamboling.bsky.social•437 days ago

Corporations spend vast amounts of money to control human behavior. Consumers need to learn to strategize. For instance, if corporations start surveilling my reading habits, I change my borrowing habits to confuse the data.

pppatticake.bsky.social•438 days ago

Thank you !!!

dedreamer.bsky.social•437 days ago

Libraries pay for books. It's a good system, you should consider it

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